What kind of listener would you classify yourself as?

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First off, I'd like to thank the powers that be here on the forum for a place to come, relax and talk about something that so many of us hold dear to our heart. That being the enjoyment of a great high fidelity system. I thought it might be interesting to get to know you and your individual tastes in what it actually is that you are listening for, along with how you listen with regards to reproduced audio. This would also be a good way for all of you to learn something about myself and your fellow members here, through a bit of discussion.

Throughout my audio journey I have met many an audiophile, audio enthusiast, music lover and audio fool. The range in between can be at times incredible to fathom, it can be funny, nauseating, entertaining and at times extremely educational. What I'm interested in is finding out if you can be honest with yourself and tell others where you think you fall into some of the categories below. Feel free to mention if you have moved from one to another during your own personal audio journey and what person, piece of literature or experience made you shift your position in how you listen. You are welcome to choose more than one category for any point in your audio journey.

Here goes...

Casual listener - This person typically can listen to anything on any type of reproductive medium anywhere. They could care less about sitting in the sweet spot and may or may not even know what an SACD is, nor could they care less. They listen to music as they cook and they could care less about whether the source is from the TV, computer, a rig or I-pod. They just enjoy the music no matter what and they couldn't be happier.

Image freak - This person has obviously furthered their audio journey a bit from just the casual listener. They have discovered somewhere along the road that speakers not only reproduce music but a reproductive quality that has eluded so many of the general public. Once they have discovered that a rig can actually produce something other than the left to right imaging, imaging becomes an obsessive goal that they strive to achieve, even at the expense of other attributes that a rig can bring. The gear they buy must image well or it's out the door quickly to find something else that can distinguish the passages in music he or she considers vital to perfect the imaging of.

This includes but is not limited to spacial locationality cues, the size of the venue, where every single instrument and singer is along with associated reflections within said venue, whether or not you can tell whether said singer is looking left while performing into the microphone or looking right while not even moving on stage. Maybe the singer is walking across the stage as they look left or right but this type of listener demands such detail with complete accuracy as they move across the stage. The image freak wants this in extreme detail with no fluctuations with regards to this type of reproduction. They want to know that the source of the sound within the image is laser pin-pointable on the sound stage. Not only that, it seems that they want to break out the measuring tape and tell you down to the inch how far away the source of the sound is coming from the listening position.

The depth, height, width and spatial location cues are more important to this type of listener than anything else and they will sacrifice some other outstanding attributes from the gear they swap in and out in order to get the perfect image. Yes, sound is important but no where near as important as the image to this type of listener.

Bass head - This is typically a person that is in the beginning of their audio journey but for some folks, the pursuit of bass is the most important part of the reproductive effort and this is where they tend to concentrate no matter where they are along their audio journey. It may stop at dual [or more] subs the size of a small Volkswagen along with room correction devices or even the rotary woofer or two but this is what is most important to this type of listener. The bass and mid bass regions are what they concentrate their efforts on, sometimes disregarding anything else within the reproductive arena.

Detail oriented listener - This type of listener concentrates on the utmost of details. The texture within voices, the impact of a drum strike and the natural decay of said strike. They concentrate on the roll off of chimes or a cymbal. They want to hear the lips smack and they want to hear and seemingly feel the wetness of the singers lips as they perform. They are not happy unless they extract every slide of the hand on a guitar and they yearn to hear as someone walks in on the back of the recording studio and accidentally steps on a pencil breaking it, not even knowing that it would be noticeable in the final cut. This type of listener will go to the extremes to seek out every last ounce of detail out of a recording whether or not it was intended, accidental or otherwise. They just need to hear it no matter what, good or bad.

Omitted listener - This type of listener may have given up on the reproduction of things they either can not reproductively get right or just flat out don't hear. They may consider a floor stander or full range speaker to be sub par to a bookie in terms of the reproductive qualities due to resonance issues, coherent abilities or transparency. Whatever the case may be, they tend to omit things that they deem less than stellar to enjoy what it is they consider audio bliss.

Loudness listener - This type of listener listens to audio reproduction as loud as they possibly can get it. They want the neighbors to know they are listening and they are typically not too concerned with overall reproductive qualities. They listen so loud that their is no hope for any kind of sound stage at all because it collapsed 30 or 40 Db's ago. So long as it's loud and the rig is pounding your chest and the state seismograph's are off the chart, that's all that matters.

Audiophile listener - Simply put, this person is a listener who is enthusiastic about the reproduction of an effect (as sound or an image) that is very faithful to the original sound reproduction.

Empirical listener - This person typically loves everything that measurement may deem great to sub par but due to empirical evidence, believes no matter what they listen to is all that just based upon empirical evidence. Sometimes more. Typically this type of listener has done hours or days of research on a particular upgrade and will yearn to hear all that has been written about said unit. They fail to actually enjoy the upgrade but tend to over evaluate said product to the point of losing track of why they got it in the first place. They tend to believe so much in what other folks are reporting about said product that they actually tend to believe what the expect to hear, regardless of whether they hear what they are expecting to or not. As much as they hate to admit it, they follow the crowd at chow time and never cook a meal for themselves. None the less, they are happy with their sound until experience shows them otherwise.

Music aficionado - Much like the casual listener, the source of the music may or may not matter. Sitting in the sweet spot may or may not matter. The reproductive qualities of his rig or the live concert they attend mean little to nothing. What they care about is that they are one with the music. They typically can tell you things folks would never know in three lifetimes. Things like where Mic Fleetwood's hometown was and where he was discovered for the first time, along with what he was eating at the time he was discovered. Typically, this type of listener has more albums or has listened to more albums than folks couldn't catch up too if they tried listening for 14 hours a day for the rest of their lives. They just flat out love music and everything that brings it to them, history and all.

Tone listener - This type of listener usually has a bit of background revolving around music. They can pinpoint if a tone is off from a different room. Very quick to pick up on tonal qualities that are extremely important to them, whereas a vast majority of folks could either care less or just don't know what it is that they are supposed to be picking up on. To them, if the tone of a system is off, it becomes difficult to listen to the bigger picture because they have the hangup of an off tone reproductive quality of a rig that they might consider substandard. This is not to say that they can not enjoy the music but because of the tonal qualities not being up to snuff, it becomes somewhat of a personal struggle to fulfill the enjoyment of the listening experience in its entirety. Whether they admit it or not.

Accuracy listener - This person is extremely fanatic about the accuracy of the reproduction. No additives, no coloration, no distortion whatsoever. Everything about the aspect of reproduction must be as accurate as possible, damned the consequences. Things may not be musical to the point of where folks tap there toes to the music but the reproductive quality is so accurate, quiet and clean that it almost becomes cold or sterile but this provides the best reproductive quality for said person because it's accurate.

Gear head listener - This person has typically had so much gear throughout their audio journey that they forgot what even real music sounds like. They have it in their head that they know what they are looking for and they need more gear than anybody else to find it. This person usually has a list of gear owned, borrowed or auditioned in their rig that would purchase a castle in England but is still not satisfied with what gear they have had. If they had ever stopped to smell the roses with some of the gear they had, they might have discovered through a bit of tweaking that they had what they wanted many times but got so caught up in the latest and greatest that they never listened to the big picture and discovered what they had in the first place many times over. Gear heads are just that. Gear heads. It's a disease that may or may not be cured.

Judgmental listener - This person typically loves their system and typically will not accept criticism of any kind toward their own rig but at the same time, will throw out a multitude of deficiencies when listening to another system. They feel there system is complete and whether it's a money issue preventing them from moving along on their audio journey, a wife that may have restrictions on what this person can or can not do or some other unknown factor...they have basically shut the door to accept any other input while at the same token are more than willing to point out anything they can when listening to another rig that is judgmental. Sometimes they use their own rig as a reference point or maybe they might use a system they have heard in the past that they are using as reference. Regardless, this type of listener is very quick to judge another rig and internally dismiss it as inferior to his or his perceived version of what he considers audio bliss.

Volume listener - This type of listener is usually a well refined listener who wants the reproductive qualities to exactly match the performance. They listen to a concert at concert levels so long as the reproductive qualities match in their listening room what they would typically expect at said concert. They adjust the volume level to precision levels to achieve the perfect level of a string guitar solo, harpist, choir or quartet. Just a little bit too loud will ruin the entire performance for said listener. All reproductive qualities across the spectrum must match as close as possible to what you would expect not as if they were playing in your living room but what would match what would be as if you were there at the venue they were performing at to begin with, the live performance. To this listener, nothing else is acceptable or may be considered sub par regardless of whether or not it is admitted.

Frequency listener - This is a listener that has to absolutely reproduce every single frequency at whatever level they deem appropriate. This could be at normal listening levels or this could be at concert levels. Regardless, every single frequency must be reproduced with the utmost of precision, realism and authority. There can be no attenuation or accentuation of any frequency at the listening position whatsoever. This type of listener becomes obsessed with reproducing the entire spectrum of frequencies, from well beyond the threshold of human hearing at both ends of the extended frequency range to flat lining the entire frequency curve across the spectrum to achieve what to them is audio bliss.

Realistic listener - This person may or may not be completely fulfilled with his or other rigs. He understands that true realistic sonic perfection will not be realized within our lifetime. They understand this, accept this and achieve whatever sonic perfection that reproduced audio can offer them to date, no matter where they are along their audio journey. They realize that there is no way a real drum sitting in the living room where they reside can be perfectly duplicated and they accept that fact. They realize a cymbal or a set of chimes may come close in terms of reproductive qualities. In reality, this listener understands that in this lifetime, it ain't gonna happen. We can come close but the fat lady ain't singing any time in the near future.

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The Relaxed Listener - This type of person is fully content with what they have. They have read up upon and researched what it is they have so extensively that no matter what else is brought to their knowledge...or even their own rig, what they have is the absolute best. Why? Because it's relaxing. They want no more detail, texture, dynamics, clarity or betterment toward there system. They are perfectly content with what it is they have. Nothing, no matter how it changes their system for the good or bad can change their mind. They are set in their sound and will not waver. Technological advances mean nothing to this person because they are set in their ways. Though the sound to them may be bliss, to others, it may be equated to others as an out of focus picture [if you will] that needs focusing or a high definition print but to them? It's perfect. No need for change.

Well folks, that's all I have for tonight. Feel free to add more types of listeners you have met along your own audio journey. That said, What kind of listener would you classify yourself as?
 
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Greedy Listener - The type of listener that wants it all :)
 

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A mighty effort, treitz, coming up with all those scenarios; I'm impressed!!

So, to go along for the ride: along with everyone else :b:b, I'll put down first of all the main ingredient, Audiophile listener. Then I'll add a touch of Casual listener, decent servings of Tone listener and Accuracy listener, and a good round of Music aficionado, though not quite with the same qualifiers you've listed. Many here are convinced that one thing I'm most certainly not is a Realistic listener, but I would beg to differ :b

Cheers,
Frank
 

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Boy, this is one of the most comprehensive treatments of a topic I have seen! Good job there :).

I guess because my job used to require it, I consider myself a Detail Oriented Listener. But there are times I find myself like some of the other categories. Many times I listen to music just because it is enjoyable, almost regardless of fidelity so I fit the Casual Listener there. Other times I search for imaging, a sense of being there, etc.
 

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I'd call myself a pragmatic listener. I try to enjoy music in different settings with the equipment that is available. I do my homework before I make purchases and live with my systems for a long time. I don't spend much time worrying about the distance between my system and perfection.

I'm realistic. Tone, accuracy and reasonably flat frequency response are important to me. I'm only concerned with image when it seems to highlight flaws in the recording and editing of the performance.

Bill
 
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I am first and foremost a Music Aficionado, although I don't quite agree with your opening few lines in that descriptive. I am also a Casual Listener and derive much joy from some soft background tunes, especially when cooking. I wonder if music can make one a better cook? Hmmm!
 

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I find the OP to be highly condescending towards audiophiles and therefore see no value in its descriptions.
 

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I dunno Mark, I think it was done in good fun. We all know we can be any of the above or combinations thereof depending on mood or circumstance :)

I'm certainly guilty of having been foolish, chasing trends and fashions at some points and having been dogmatic during others. Despite the embarassment, I wouldn't change a thing. Paradigm shifts are a wonderful thing. Keeps life interesting. :)
 

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I dunno Mark, I think it was done in good fun. We all know we can be any of the above or combinations thereof depending on mood or circumstance :)

I'm certainly guilty of having been foolish, chasing trends and fashions at some points and having been dogmatic during others. Despite the embarassment, I wouldn't change a thing. Paradigm shifts are a wonderful thing. Keeps life interesting. :)

I just don’t see much humor in the OP unless your idea of humor/good fun is getting poked in the eye with a sharp stick. I didn’t see any “right” answers that make you look less than foolish. Sort of like when someone asks you if you have stopped beating your wife yet and only “yes” or “no” are accepted as answers. I guess I’m just not in the mood for self-flagellation today.
 

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I find the OP to be highly condescending towards audiophiles and therefore see no value in its descriptions.
If I go by your post, it seems to say that there is nothing foolish going on in our audiophile pursuit. Is that what you are saying?
 

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If I go by your post, it seems to say that there is nothing foolish going on in our audiophile pursuit. Is that what you are saying?

No, there is plenty of foolishness in this wacky hobby, but it's not all foolishness and that is the point I'm trying to make.
 

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No, there is plenty of foolishness in this wacky hobby, but it's not all foolishness and that is the point I'm trying to make.

I think you may be talking this too serriously Mark, although I agree I'm not particularly fond of the negative ending tones for each point. Perhaps a more postive light could have been shed on each different type of listener.
 

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I think you may be talking this too serriously Mark, although I agree I'm not particularly fond of the negative ending tones for each point. Perhaps a more postive light could have been shed on each different type of listener.

You made my point John. I wouldn't have minded if the OP was funny, but I didn't get any yuks out of it.
 

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Well, if you do not feel like getting poked in the eye you could always try to add to the discussion and tell everybody what kind of listener you feel you are. This would benefit the thread more than the suggestion or hint that I am a troll.

I am an audiophile. I am proud of it. I have been guilty at one time or another with most of these types of listeners. I don't feel like I poked myself in the eye, I don't feel like I belittled the hobby at all. There was not one ounce of humor with the exception of the seismograph and maybe what Mic Fleetwood was eating when he was discovered .

I have met every type of these listeners throughout my audio journey. They may change there areas of how they listen and what it is they listen for as the years go by but the fact is that I have met these listeners. They exist and they are real. If you don't like what I have written, I can't help that. No amount of banter will most likely change your mind but I had no intention of even remotely becoming as you suggest, a troll like poster. There is nothing foolish about anything I have written and if you feel like a fool after reading what I have observed, say so and simply move on.

I'd like this thread not to turn into a debate, I'd actually had hoped to get to know folks and their listening habits. It helps to understand reviews, goals and what it is they are after in audio reproduction. It was an attempt by me to get to know the members a bit and see what are important keys for them with their listening habits. This way I could actually offer them experiences based upon the type of listener they are. A perfect example of this would be to offer advice to an omitted type listener about rotary subs or stereo subs. That would be useless as they prefer to listen to their music omitted. There is not one thing wrong with that type of listening. Nothing at all. I have heard and enjoyed many an omitted type rig in my audio journeys.

I am new here and while I have appreciated the warm welcomes on some other threads, this kind of response to my observations of experience simply puts a bad taste in my mouth. If you were offended or you feel that I was trying to attack the audiophile, I apologize. That was not my intent.

Allow me to offer to you my type of listening preferences. At times, I am just a casual listener. I listen off axis while I'm cooking or on the computer and I still absolutely love what music I hear. I am an admitted image freak. I tend to enjoy a pin-pointable image with everything from where a singer or instrument is all the way down to the exact point to where the kick drum is in relation to the tom hat. While I have been a bass head in the early part of my audio journey, I can not stand any kind of boom at the bottom. I enjoy my bass with weight and authority but not at the expense of the lower registers masking the other parts of the spectrum.

The detail oriented listener is one that I am definitely guilty of. Every ounce of extractable information that is there, I want to hear it. Good or bad. Even to the point that I want to be able to hear the snap, crackle and pops on an audiophile recording that is off of a digital medium but was recorded off of an LP. I am not an omitted type listener. My listening tastes prefer the full extension of the frequency spectrum. I am also definitely not a loudness listener, while I am guilty of being the volume listener many times, I will not sacrifice quality because I want it louder.

I am not an empirical listener, music aficionado or tone listener. I would love nothing more than to be a music aficionado and I'm getting better at it everyday but I realize that I will never come close to the knowledge of music some of my buddies have. I respect that to no end, along with the tone listener. There are some systems I do not prefer the tone of but to be quite honest, I don't really know what it is I'm looking for with regards to tone. On the other hand, I have met folks that can describe in perfect detail what tones are off in a rig. I'm working on that as well.

With my reference of reproduced music being actual real sound, at times I can be an accurate listener but I stop at a point. My reproduced music must be musical, not overly analytical. I want to have goose bumps and I want to feel as if I am in the venue as it is being recorded. In my experience, with too much accuracy, you lose the unintentional feeling of just having to tap your toe to the music. I have never been a gear head listener, though I have had many, many pieces fly through the door. Things are what they are and to me, cost is not part of the equation. Only the end result as to what hits your ears. That, to me, is what determines whether or not a particular piece stays or goes.

I don't think I will ever be a judgmental listener due to the fact that I probably have more gripes with my rig than some of you have with yours combined. My reference is real sound and anything other than real sound is a compromise to me. Real sound is my reference but I am also a realistic listener. I understand that the technology today can emulate real sound but not be real sound. As for the frequency listener, I have been there. I have done the EQ thing, room correction thing and while it sounded great, other aspects of the reproduction were compromised and that right there is unacceptable to me. So much so that I have zero tone controls or what I laughingly call "knobs of sin" on my current rig. As a result, the sound I have now sounds far superior to me than when I had an almost totally flat frequency curve in the room. Flat isn't really all it's cracked up to be IMO.

So, this is me and my listening preferences. Now you know a little bit more about me and my listening preferences and I am not offended in the least. I can change from one type of listener mid song and at times, I will admittedly be a combined listener of two or more types of listeners all throughout the span of one side of an album.
 

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You made my point John. I wouldn't have minded if the OP was funny, but I didn't get any yuks out of it.
Mark, there was no requirement for anyone to self classify themselves if they didn't want to. Clearly a few of us didn't mind it so we should let the discussion move forward. :) As Jack said, we all saw this aspect of it but didn't think it was serious enough reflection on who we are to keep us from voting.

Yes, OP is pointing out the negative as he sees it in some classifications but that is his prerogative. If you like to participate but want to suggest a different take, I think that will be welcome too.

I think the top level point of the thread is to figure out from what vantage point people come from. I used to have an audiophile friend that always, always talked about imaging. I never heard anything else from him. Whereas I find myself, after reading OP's classification, to be the detail guy as mentioned. I thought this type of self-reflection was a good thing to discuss.
 

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I more or less figured the OP was an Image Listener, and I must admit that at times I can be as well. It does however never detract from my preferred postion as a Music Afficionado, which is also why I've never supported the idea of buying "audiophile recordings". Without music audio is pointless, and for a hobby to satisfy a desire it must bring pleasure to the table. Music, moreso that its reproduction, does that for me.
 

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I seem to be all of these :D ... Depends on the mood but mainly I would say I am a mostly a music lover what you term a Music Afficionado, I'll listen to music intently regardless of the gear that (re)produces it .. thus mp3. I listen to mp3 in my car exclusively .. I find myself listening to Pandora and it is ..mp3 and I listen to a lot of Internet Radio and they are mp3 too... Yet non-compressed audio through good neutral systems brings music the closest to the live event so I listen to music though high quality gear whenever possible, truly for the most part, presently through a variety of headphones (Denon, HiFiMan, Ultrasone) for the most part ...
 
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Posting material on the internet always lacks the "clarity" of face-to-face communication. It's not always easy to read the intent and mood of a written post. Whenever possible, I try to give the benefit of the doubt to the poster, wanting to believe that they just didn't get their point across as eloquently as they wished. Almost always, the next few posts clear up any miscommunications.

I'm an audiophile listener, an image listener, a casual listener, a music lover, and a detail listener; all depending upon the situation. Most often, I'm an audiophile.

Lee
 

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Well I've come full circle. I'm a music lover. You guys knoiw I love the audiophile game as much as anyone. Especialy a good analog vs digital or ss vs tube food fight. But when it comes to listening, music is king. That a trumpet sounds like a trumpet. A paino sounds like a piano. A do listen like an audiophile when I am at a dealer or show.
 

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