What innovations and improvements have there been in Horn Speakers in the last 20 years? Any?

Duke LeJeune

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Horns seem like such a tiny market, at least in North America. What innovations have there been for these types of speakers in the last 20 years, if any?

What are the sonic differences?

I think there was a worthwhile improvement that showed up about fifteen years ago.

Let me try to give a little background first... I'm not a loudspeaker historian so there may be some holes in my story...

In 1966 Altec introduced the Valencia, which combined a 15" woofer with a big horn, 90 degrees horizontal by 40 degrees vertical, crossed over at 800 Hz.

In 1977 Altec replaced the Valencia with the Model 19, same woofer and same horn, but with the crossover frequency raised to 1200 Hz. This went against the conventional wisdom of the day, and probably goes against the conventional wisdom of this day as well.

The purpose of the higher crossover frequency was pattern matching; that is, the crossover between woofer and horn occurred where the the woofer's radiation pattern had narrowed to approximately match that of the horn. The Altec horn was a diffraction horn with constant directivity in the horizontal plane but the pattern narrowed with increasing frequency in the vertical plane. The advantage of pattern matching is, there is no audible discontinuity through the crossover region, so coherence is improved.

A few years later JBL got into the pattern-matching business with their landmark Model 4430 studio monitor. The 4430 used a new bi-radial horn which covered 100 degrees constant directivity in both the horizontal and vertical planes, crossed over to a 15" woofer where their patterns matched in both planes (about 1 kHz). The advantage of constant directivity is, the reflections sound like the direct sound, which is desirable. But there was a downside to the Altec and JBL horns: They used diffraction to get adequate high frequency coverage, and diffraction in a horn tends to be a source of coloration, particularly at high sound pressure levels.

The next significant evolution in this area came about fourteen years ago, when Earl Geddes introduced his Summa, which combined a 15" woofer with a 90-degree pattern oblate spheroid round waveguide. The oblate spheroid profile is mathematically the optimum for minimizing disturbance of the wavefront (diffraction) while still allowing constant directivity out to about 90 degrees. The crossover point was of course where the patterns matched.

Earl was the first to use the term "acoustic waveguide" for a particular type of horn, because the emphasis was on pattern control rather than acoustic amplification, though arguably the bi-radial in the 4430 had the same emphasis.

Just about everything in audio involves tradeoffs, and the oblate spheroid is no exception. You see, the limiting factor in on-axis efficiency for a compression driver is usually the top end. And a constant-directivity device like the oblate spheroid allows that top end energy to be spread over a wide area, in this case 90 degrees in both planes. In contrast an exponential or tractrix or spherical horn has a much narrower pattern up high, and then the pattern widens as we go down in frequency. So with those types, the highs are concentrated into a much narrower angle, resulting in higher pressure levels - higher sound pressure levels - on-axis. A compression driver that can hit 110 dB out to 20 kHz on-axis with one of these horn types would probably struggle to approach 100 dB at 20 kHz on-axis on a 90-degree oblate spheroid. The same amount of sound comes out either way; it's just concentrated into a tighter pattern by those other horn types.

Also, the crossover topology is more complex for a constant-directivity horn. Equalization is required; the lower end of a constant-directivity horn/driver combination is inherently louder than the top end, because down low where the compression driver's pattern would be very wide without a horn, all of that output is being funneled into the same angle as the top end.

I happen to think these tradeoffs are worth the benefits of constant directivity, because I think the tonal balance of the reverberant sound should reflect that of the direct sound (bad pun intended). So my nomination for an "improvement in horn speakers in the last 20 years" would be the Oblate Spheroid waveguide.
 

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Hello Duke

Just to add to you excellent summary you also had DB Kelle who was at Electro Voice and then came to JBL. He holds the original patent for modern CD horns. He brought that knowledge with him from EV and from that JBL did the first generation of their Biradial horns used in the 4430/4435/4425 Monitors with the 2342/2344 horns. He did the defined coverage horn that was used in the 4660 system and also in the first Everest system in the 80's while at JBL. DB Kelle is still active and was also involved in modern Line Arrays and CBT's. His AES papers are posted on his site. Attached are his horn patents

http://www.xlrtechs.com/dbkeele.com/


Rob :)
 

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Also, the crossover topology is more complex for a constant-directivity horn. Equalization is required; the lower end of a constant-directivity horn/driver combination is inherently louder than the top end, because down low where the compression driver's pattern would be very wide without a horn, all of that output is being funneled into the same angle as the top end.

Yes and with the more modern biradials and waveguides need parametric EQ with series or parallel notch filters or combinations of both to flatten the response. At least the ones I have used. Can't say it for all. The original horns first generation typically used a capacitor bypass over the attenuation to counteract the mass break point 6db roll-off of the driver.

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A compression driver that can hit 110 dB out to 20 kHz on-axis with one of these horn types would probably struggle to approach 100 dB at 20 kHz on-axis on a 90-degree oblate spheroid. The same amount of sound comes out either way; it's just concentrated into a tighter pattern by those other horn types.

Yes and I think depending on how you do the compensation makes all he difference in sound quality. If you go active for with a CD horn you would be using 10X the power in the last octave which is a worst case scenario for most conventional dome based drivers. These are typically using deliberate and as designed surround resonances to get the HF extension. The newer generation ring radiators have a distinct advantage in this respect.

If you do a passive compensation instead where you attenuate the lower end response 2-3k before the mass roll off you will get a much cleaner output in the upper octaves. Sure you trade headroom but there is plenty available to sacrifice for home use.

Rob :)
 

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Horns seem like such a tiny market, at least in North America. What innovations have there been for these types of speakers in the last 20 years, if any?

What are the sonic differences?

It's a mixed bag. What specific horns?? CD vs Non CD has the most most audible difference bar none. With the age of digital room correction it amazes me why anyone would market a non CD horn system. The bottom line is with a non CD horn only a very narrow on axis window is "flat" or tailored to the designers voicing. The off axis response changes the more you move of this axis. This makes any system EQ a disaster as it changes the "Flat" designers voicing of the system. The in room power response is a combination of both off axis and On axis. You end up doing EQ on the power response and when you do this you corrupt the designed listening window.

The last 20 you have Earl Geddes Oblate Spheroid, updated Bi Radials, Waveguides and importantly advances in the drivers and waveguides. Throatless compression drivers, shallow rapidly expanding waveguides ring radiators and compound ring radiators. Many of these have measurable decreases in distortion the audibility of which is questionable. Again Geedes distortion metric.

The modern horns and drivers are leaps and bounds better than some of the vintage drivers and horns that have a cult following claiming engineering stopped in the 1930's. Same with traditional flares vs modern. If it's not CD IMHO don't waste your time.

Rob:)
 
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The modern horns and drivers are leaps and bounds better than some of the vintage drivers and horns that have a cult following claiming engineering stopped in the 1930's. Same with traditional flares vs modern. If it's not CD IMHO don't waste your time.

Rob:)

Great stuff. But some guys will claim that even extreme vintage horns have extremely low distortion, as Herb Reichert does here:
 

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Do they present any specific measurements to substantiate the claims? Sorry, I did not see the movie.
 

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Do they present any specific measurements to substantiate the claims? Sorry, I did not see the movie.
i think he makes the claims and provides examples... if you have 4-5 minutes, check out the video at minute markers 14:00-15, 23:30-27:00... "most audiophiles have never heard low-distortion" of horns...
 

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