No he did not tell me that he was planning to employ built in subs. In fact they are very close lipped about their plans. I’ll be visiting them a week from Monday but I doubt they’ll share their plans with me. They are a small company and move very deliberately. Here’s what I’ve been told: they have no plans to make a stand alone sub, they have no plans to make a less expensive line ala Magico, Lyra will stick around a while, it would be cool to make a flagship, they won’t do anything until they are certain that it is a big step up. It took 2-3 years to finish Orion. My guess is it would take a similar timeframe for their next speaker whatever that is.