Rockport Orions with a subwoofer?

[Cincy2]

This was true in my case. When I had my M3's, the room created a huge base suck-out at around 60Hz. Moving things around either screwed up the trebles or made the bass worse. The subs were rolled off at around 75Hz and filled the hole nicely. The improvement was not insignificant.

Eric

BTW, I agree with your estimate of the difficulty integrating bass with the system. My subs (originally Magico's were integrated remotely by the Magico engineers in Israel by playing test tones and monitoring the response via computer.

 

[joey_v]

What headphone was it?

 

[JiminGa]

I agree. You really do need to know what you’re doing. Cincy, I’d give Josh, Jon and Andy a call and really pick their brains about the Orions and subwoofers. They have no skin in the game and they definitely want you to be a happy customer.

 

[Cincy2]

What headphone was it?

I used several. My favorites were the Abyss AB 1266 with a dCS Line solid state amp.

 

[joey_v]

How do you find the m3 versus the 802?

 

[Cincy2]

How do you find the m3 versus the 802?

I've been a rabid audiophile for thirty years. The M3s were the best speaker I have had in my system since I started down the rabbit hole. They need a good source as do any high end speaker but they have you everything you could want in space, articulation, accuracy, speed, coherence, soundstage etc. The 802D4's are a very competent value play but don't measure up to the M3's. Given their price difference, this is to be expected. Someone without a serious addiction to "What's Best" could easily live with them for a lifetime.

 

[joey_v]

I've been a rabid audiophile for thirty years. The M3s were the best speaker I have had in my system since I started down the rabbit hole. They need a good source as do any high end speaker but they have you everything you could want in space, articulation, accuracy, speed, coherence, soundstage etc. The 802D4's are a very competent value play but don't measure up to the M3's. Given their price difference, this is to be expected. Someone without a serious addiction to "What's Best" could easily live with them for a lifetime.

Thx man!
I bet you’ll enjoy the Orion even more than the m3

 

[JiminGa]

Cincy, you will have had 2 of the best speakers out there! You are in a unique position to compare the strengths of these two great efforts. When you’ve had time I’m sure a lot of us would love to hear your thoughts. I k ow there’s a significant price difference but the DNA of each company will come through. Each maker has its camp of enthusiasts. Very few cross over. You are so lucky.

 

[joey_v]

He is among the lucky few

 

[Cincy2]

Cincy, you will have had 2 of the best speakers out there! You are in a unique position to compare the strengths of these two great efforts. When you’ve had time I’m sure a lot of us would love to hear your thoughts. I k ow there’s a significant price difference but the DNA of each company will come through. Each maker has its camp of enthusiasts. Very few cross over. You are so lucky.

It will be my pleasure to offer you my thoughts on all 3, the Orions, the Magico M3's and the D4's. We are staged and ready for the swap on Tuesday next week. I will spend the weekend listening to the 802D4's so I have them fresh in my mind. I will never forget the Magico M3s. The Orions are in the house.

 

[joey_v]

Awesome!
Did you also have 802d2? How is that compared to 802d4?

 

[Cincy2]

Awesome!
Did you also have 802d2? How is that compared to 802d4?

No. I had two pairs prior years ago, 800's and 801's before the diamond tweeters were introduced. Both were fabulous speakers.

 

[joey_v]

No. I had two pairs prior years ago, 800's and 801's before the diamond tweeters were introduced. Both were fabulous speakers.

Please post pics of the install!

 

[joey_v]

Did you end up getting rid of the subs Eric?

 

[Cincy2]

Joey

Yes. I believe the Vicoustic room treatments cleaned up the bass modes eliminating the need for it.

Eric

 

[JiminGa]

Wise move Cincy. If you haven’t heard Orion it’s hard to describe how good the bass is. Judicious use of room treatments and fanatical attention to set up will get you great results without the downsides of subs unless your room is very problematic or you just love to feel the house shake

 

[Cincy2]

Wadax Reference Dac and Server arrive

I'm in the fourth quarter of my "game" so there was some pressure to find what pleased me and then to enjoy it as long as I can. Thx Eric

www.whatsbestforum.com

I'm done.

 

[JiminGa]

I saw on the Wadax thread!!! Beautiful and intelligent at the same time.