New Magico and JL Audio Subwoofers

[jpetek]

The Question is who will need such subwoofers?

I do not think that any owner of a Q7 or maybe Q5 will need a seperate subwoofer.

 

[JackD201]

Ya never know. I can live without subs but honestly, I'd rather not. That coming from somebody that just loves to play the "Are they on or are they off?" game.

 

[Steve Williams]

Ya never know. I can live without subs but honestly, I'd rather not. That coming from somebody that just loves to play the "Are they on or are they off?" game.

the biggest unintended compliment paid to me and my system was when Alon Wolf and his partner Yaier came to my house to take measurements of my room (this was at a time when the Q5 was soon to be released) and after 15 minutes of listening and taking measurements Alon asked me if my subs were on (which they were )

 

[Jazzhead]

^ Is that a picture of a Magico sub under construction, or another subwoofer using Aurasound drivers? (The pointed conical dustcap is the giveaway.)

+1

 

[Elberoth]

^ Is that a picture of a Magico sub under construction ?

Correct.

 

[LL21]

Ya never know. I can live without subs but honestly, I'd rather not. That coming from somebody that just loves to play the "Are they on or are they off?" game.

Setting aside the foregone conclusion that audio is a hobby when food and a roof and health are taken care of, I probably could not live without a sub. Listening to hip hop and deep house right now, and even with the sub cut off above 40hz (with 48db slope so steep)...I still feel the difference. And for a bass freak who loves to bring the beat everynow and then...its a big plus.

 

[NorthStar]

A sub is like the difference of going between a Jazz club, or Blues joint and a discotheque. :b

 

[dallasjustice]

The only new sub that's really moving the ball down the field:
http://www.revelspeakers.com/News/Story/125

 

[zztop7]

The only new sub that's really moving the ball down the field:
http://www.revelspeakers.com/News/Story/125

This is a Harman product, and Harman bought JBL or however the transaction took place.

JBL has made some GREAT product and some NOT so great products. Hard to tell where this falls, unless there is more information.

zz.

 

[zztop7]

Alnico magnet???

Alnico magnet??? Does anyone know of a manufacturer using Alnico magnets in their subwoofer drivers?

zz.

 

[dallasjustice]

The new Revel sub is deigned to be time aligned with the main left/right; they are designed for Geddes/Harman setup to get flat bass. If I were spending that kind of dough on a pair of subs, they damn sure aint gonna be sitting right next to my main left/right speakers. What's the point?

This is a Harman product, and Harman bought JBL or however the transaction took place.

JBL has made some GREAT product and some NOT so great products. Hard to tell where this falls, unless there is more information.

zz.

 

[zztop7]

The new Revel sub is deigned to be time aligned with the main left/right; they are designed for Geddes/Harman setup to get flat bass. If I were spending that kind of dough on a pair of subs, they damn sure aint gonna be sitting right next to my main left/right speakers. What's the point?

Their is no "point?"

I read the information by going to the URL. This appears to be the manufacturer speaking. " unless there is more information." is wanting to hear in the future from actual end users being satisfied with the product.

I apologize if there is confusion from my statement.

zz.

 

[dallasjustice]

There are only 3 reasons to add subs. You can extend dynamic range. You can fill in nonexistent bass and crossover to main left/right where left/right are not full range. You can use multiple subs in different parts of the room to get flatter bass. I would hope the user could achieve all 3 at these prices. Revel designed these subs to do all 3. I am not aware of any other sub that can do all 3 without using a Tact, Deqx etc.

 

[Nyal Mellor]

There are only 3 reasons to add subs. You can extend dynamic range. You can fill in nonexistent bass and crossover to main left/right where left/right are not full range. You can use multiple subs in different parts of the room to get flatter bass. I would hope the user could achieve all 3 at these prices. Revel designed these subs to do all 3. I am not aware of any other sub that can do all 3 without using a Tact, Deqx etc.

There are a many cool things about the new Revel subs:

1) they are the only sub I know of that gives the user ability to delay the main speakers independently of the sub. This is required because sealed box subs generally have a lot of driver EQ to make them flat and this results in higher group delay than the main speakers at the crossover frequency. Simply put sounds take longer to come out of the sub than they do the mains. Time delay is therefore required for proper time alignment even if the subs and mains are placed right next to each other. The phase control that is typically used for integration is not sufficient as likely although the bass will be in phase at the crossover point the sound coming out of the sub will likely be a full cycle late or maybe more.

2) they can EQ the combined response of the sub/mains speakers. Most EQ systems built into subs do not take the contribution of the mains into effect (which is dumb because what you hear is mains + subs - they are playing together across much of the bass even with a crossover)

3) whilst all the processing happens in the digital domain Revel have gone to great care with the A/D and D/A conversion. Indeed the launch date for the subs was pushed back by 6 months whilst they worked to make the DSP as transparent as possible. Certainly the huge benefit from the DSP capability exceeds the SQ reduction from the additional conversions.

It's unlikely there will be many people who are using Revel subs as they are not historically a company known for their subs and Revel is kind of a not so cool brand for audiophiles. However they have worked hard at these new subs and the care and thought gone into the DSP is outstanding.

I am very excited because it means now when I tell someone to get subs to improve their room acoustics through room mode cancellation they do not also now need a DSP/EQ unit to go with it. All the DSP/EQ is built into the subs.

 

[Revel Salon 2]

for that price I would expect Magico to use in-house drivers....what does one get beside aluminium enclosure for 36.000$ if the drivers are outsourced?

 

[NorthStar]

Great post just above Nyal; thx for sharing essential information.

* $36,000 buys you a very nice car.

 

[Nyal Mellor]

Great post just above Nyal; thx for sharing essential information.

* $36,000 buys you a very nice car.

or around 18 JL E112s subs...

or a new fully acoustically treated dedicated listening room

 

[FrantzM]

or around 18 JL E112s subs...

or a new fully acoustically treated dedicated listening room

My sentiments exactly,

See this post in another Magico sub thread .. Click HERE

 

[James63]

Well I don't know about Magico's super sub but I ordered two JL E112s today. I plan to integrate them into a two channel system using the built in high pass crossover.

 

[microstrip]

or around 18 JL E112s subs...

or a new fully acoustically treated dedicated listening room

I am astonished no one has computed the number of tickets to great performances you can buy with the cost of the Magico sub - it is an usual cliche in these type of threads.