I said to use 4 two double stacked with,,,,WITH the JL electronic crossover Sir
Please read what I wrote.
I did not say it was better than what I have not heard. However 30 k for a single woofer with no electronic crossover is a lot of KASSSSSSH
I thought QSub had 2 woofers firing in opposite directions to help cancel out some of the internal vibrations? Plus internal amp and electronic crossover?
Elliot, Whose talking about graphs and expensive machines? I believe first and foremost in listening. If someone can support great sound through a description of the science behind the design, I'll pay attention and learn something. I was just asking you about cabinet vibrations and stacking sealed enclosures. I put my hand on a subwoofer or main speaker cabinet and see if I can feel vibrations. I also listen to hear distortions from cabinets.
I did try some JL F110 subs in my system. They were fairly inert but not perfect. They sounded fine but after a great deal of effort to integrate them with my speakers, I decided that they ultimately detracted from the overall clarity of my system. Even though I got a pretty good deal on them in order to try them in my system, I took quite a hit when I tried to sell them. Perhaps my opinion would change if I heard them stacked and properly set up in a dealer's listening room.
Just because you feel a little vibration doesn't mean there is a problem Sir.
I am not sold on the Aluminum BS and have heard speakers made of many materials that work well,
When they make a Stradivarius or a Les Paul out of Aluminum and it sounds great then maybe I will drink the coolaid
Very interesting response. I'm not selling anything nor do I like Kool-Aid.
Aluminum is certainly not the only solution for a good speaker enclosure, but consider this: The wooden body of the Stradivarius instrument in fact resonates creating just the sound many of us so admire. A mechanical device like a serious loudspeaker, is an entirely different thing. It is designed to accurately reproduce the sounds embedded in a recording. Ideally, I would prefer that the loudspeaker not add its own colorations to the sounds it is trying to reproduce. Transparency to the recording depends on low distortion. Cabinet vibration causes distortion and makes it less likely that the speaker will accurately reproduce the sound of the Stradivarius.
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Aluminum is certainly not the only solution for a good speaker enclosure, but consider this: The wooden body of the Stradivarius instrument in fact resonates creating just the sound many of us so admire. A mechanical device like a serious loudspeaker, is an entirely different thing. It is designed to accurately reproduce the sounds embedded in a recording. Ideally, I would prefer that the loudspeaker not add its own colorations to the sounds it is trying to reproduce. Transparency to the recording depends on low distortion. Cabinet vibration causes distortion and makes it less likely that the speaker will accurately reproduce the sound of the Stradivarius.
All cabinets have vibrations and a Q point. Aluminum is just different than acrylic or wood. I for one can not tell you that just because it seems it has less that it sounds better particularly on frequencies below 60 hertz.
The room has much mor eto do with low frequency response than a vibration in a cabinet.
That sub is waaaay too cheap, the way it looks! But it needs a "Q" to shine in all its glory ;-)
I wonder if they sell many of these Qsubs. Perhaps they should introduce an "S" sub of slightly lower quality to mate with their S line of speakers. I can see a curved aluminum tube enclosure like the one on the Ultimate 3 horn speaker.
It would cost too much money to develop another sub driver for a S series... and all of this to build something not as good as Q-sub
I heard they sell pretty well... Maybe because they sound pretty well
The S5 looks so small compared to the sub on the pic!
Aluminum is not just different, it is indeed, if implemented right, a MUCH better material to use, in particular for bass enclosure. It is really simple math, your ears can tell you what you want to hear, that does not change the laws of physics. You will have to excuse me, I am not about to enter a debate about that, you sound like a guy who will dismiss global warming, if he sees fit
If we are talking about producing a sufficiently rigid structure for subwoofers, there is no reason to stop at aluminum... some of us in the DIY crowd simply create a custom concrete form around our enclosure... problem solved for vastly less money.
I would be really impressed if the rooms that this type of speaker are used in are sufficiently "bolted down" so as not to have vibrations form the bass rattling things.
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