JRiver MC Version 18

jriver · Jun 15, 2013

Ron Party said:
I can't tell from that wiki if jriver supports SACD iso playback (or, for that matter, DVDA iso playback).

This may help:
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/ISO_Files

Posting your question on our forum might also be useful.

dallasjustice · Jun 16, 2013

The other feature I recently discovered is MOCUR cablecard support.
http://wiki.jriver.com/index.php/CableCard_Tuners

My only gripe is that I've used both the Ceton and Silicondust MOCUR tuners and I've always found the Silicondust to be bulletproof whereas the Ceton will have glitches and crashes. At least, thats how it was 3 or 4 years ago.

This is a killer feature and makes jriver THE player for complete HTPC, IMO.

dallasjustice · Jul 1, 2013

I really prefer MOG for a variety of reasons. Since there isn't a MOG plugin for Jriver, I thought it impossible to use them together. However, I recently discovered Jriver's loopback feature. I am streaming ALO via MOG in 320 kbps via Jriver loopback. Sounds pretty good!!

amirm said:
Not with Jriver but I tried it a year or two ago and liked what I heard. But for some reason, have not gone back to it .

Kal Rubinson · Jul 2, 2013

Ron Party said:
I can't tell from that wiki if jriver supports SACD iso playback (or, for that matter, DVDA iso playback). At the bottom of the wiki page there is a link to this thread which contains a bit of discussion back in 2012 about SACD iso playback not being supported as well as some discussion about SACD_extract to get the DSD files from the ISO. Apologies in advance, but I remain confused.

It will play SACD iso files.

jriver · Aug 14, 2013

jkeny · Aug 14, 2013

From one of the links:

Benefits
The theoretical benefits of memory playback are that no disk or network I/O occurs while playing and that CPU load during playback could be reduced.
.........

Sound Quality
JRiver is unaware of any test that shows a sound quality advantage to memory playback.

The option was added due to popular demand.

Hilarious!!

Julf · Aug 15, 2013

jkeny said:
Hilarious!!

Are you aware of any test that shows a sound quality advantage to memory playback?

jkeny · Aug 15, 2013

So Jriver add features that they see no benefit to, that they don't believe work & that have potential technical problems?? Give me a break, please!

Technical Considerations
With a modern computer, playback of a standard CD-quality file will have the fully decoded file in memory in around one second.

Memory playback will use up to 1GB of memory for cache (capped at 80% of available system memory to avoid swap usage).

In some cases, the work of decoding and caching a file quickly as a track starts could lead to other problems. For example, when playing over Wi-Fi some machines exhibit high resource usage when reading a file quickly. This resource usage as a track starts could lead to audio playback glitches.

Some files like DSD played as PCM have very large decoded data so that they might require more memory to cache than (most) any system has. In these cases, the program will cache 1GB, play it mostly out, then cache another 1GB, etc.

With memory playback enabled, the player will no longer report a real-time bitrate (ie. 872 kbps) during playback. This is because asking the decoder its current bitrate is not possible when the decoder has finished with the current track completely in the first couple seconds of playback.

Just so I have this straight JRiver introduced a change, due to popular demand - which has no benefit to the end user (according to them), only possible/probable technical issues as highlighted in their quotes text?? So they are quiet willing to sell what they consider to be snake-oil ingredients.

prerich · Aug 15, 2013

jkeny said:
So Jriver add features that they see no benefit to, that they don't believe work & that have potential technical problems?? Give me a break, please!

Just so I have this straight JRiver introduced a change, due to popular demand - which has no benefit to the end user (according to them), only possible/probable technical issues as highlighted in their quotes text?? So they are quiet willing to sell what they consider to be snake-oil ingredients.

Supply and demand. Customers demanded memory playback...they got it (and whatever comes with it). Many of us buy cables that cost as much as our speakers, suspend those cables on little bridges, ect, ect, ect....

Our culture has developed to the point that the goal is to give the people what they want (even if we know its no good). Average people perfer a "hot" TV to a calibrated one, they like trimension motion tv (soap opera effect), it's just one added featrue. I wish they would have incorporated automated DRC (although I've had a lot of fun and success with REW and JRiver's DSP Studio).

jkeny · Aug 15, 2013

prerich said:
Supply and demand. Customers demanded memory playback...they got it (and whatever comes with it). Many of us buy cables that cost as much as our speakers, suspend those cables on little bridges, ect, ect, ect....

Our culture has developed to the point that the goal is to give the people what they want (even if we know its no good). Average people perfer a "hot" TV to a calibrated one, they like trimension motion tv (soap opera effect), it's just one added featrue. I wish they would have incorporated automated DRC (although I've had a lot of fun and success with REW and JRiver's DSP Studio).

This is normally called snake-oil selling - selling products with features that the producer "knows" to have no effect. Yes, suspending cables on platforms would probably qualify also. Ask Julf, he will tell you what is snake-oil & what isn't. Does he consider Jriver's memory playback as snake-oil, I wonder?

Julf · Aug 15, 2013

jkeny said:
This is normally called snake-oil selling - selling products with features that the producer "knows" to have no effect. Yes, suspending cables on platforms would probably qualify also. Ask Julf, he will tell you what is snake-oil & what isn't. Does he consider Jriver's memory playback as snake-oil, I wonder?

No, snake-oil is when you claim something has an effect (despite knowing it hasn't). In this case Jriver is being honest about the fact that they haven't seen any evidence it has an effect. It is a sad state of things when honesty is considered hilarious.

jkeny · Aug 15, 2013

It's a sad state of affairs when a company includes a "feature" whose only effect (according to them) is to introduce known technical & operational issues!
Yes, it's hilarious!

Julf · Aug 15, 2013

jkeny said:
It's a sad state of affairs when a company includes a "feature" whose only effect (according to them) is to introduce known technical & operational issues!

I think you just described Microsoft, Apple and a huge number of consumer product companies - except, unlike jriver, they aren't open about it.

edorr · Aug 15, 2013

Julf said:
I think you just described Microsoft, Apple and a huge number of consumer product companies - except, unlike jriver, they aren't open about it.

You just described the basic dynamics of what makes capitalist society work. Every now something actually useful comes along, but a lot of economic growth is based on non-value added widgets being invented, bought and sold. Next time you walk through the supermarket ask yourself, who really needs 25 flavors of soda, yoghurt and cereal?

prerich · Aug 15, 2013

jkeny said:
This is normally called snake-oil selling - selling products with features that the producer "knows" to have no effect. Yes, suspending cables on platforms would probably qualify also. Ask Julf, he will tell you what is snake-oil & what isn't. Does he consider Jriver's memory playback as snake-oil, I wonder?

it's one thing to know that it has no effect, but most snake-oil sales men don't tell a customer that it has no effect

.

prerich · Aug 15, 2013

Julf said:
No, snake-oil is when you claim something has an effect (despite knowing it hasn't). In this case Jriver is being honest about the fact that they haven't seen any evidence it has an effect. It is a sad state of things when honesty is considered hilarious.

+1

prerich · Aug 15, 2013

Julf said:
I think you just described Microsoft, Apple and a huge number of consumer product companies - except, unlike jriver, they aren't open about it.

Ditto again (those companies knowingly release products with bugs as finished works - and are never open about it).

Julf · Aug 15, 2013

edorr said:
Next time you walk through the supermarket ask yourself, who really needs 25 flavors of soda, yoghurt and cereal?

Would you want to have a "regular" soda experience? Wouldn't you want it to be "unique", "personal" and "special"...?

jkeny · Aug 15, 2013

Julf said:
I think you just described Microsoft, Apple and a huge number of consumer product companies - except, unlike jriver, they aren't open about it.

Ah, right, Jriver are a beacon for good business practices - hilarious!

Julf · Aug 15, 2013

jkeny said:
Ah, right, Jriver are a beacon for good business practices - hilarious!

The world can always use a bit of hilarity...

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