I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral
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How this EU dares to speak about bringing democracy is outrageous, we voted against the EU constitution in 2005 , they(our pro eu government and EU officials ) threw our votes overboard changed the name of the treaty and went with it anyway , there is absolutely nothing democratic about that organization
The Dutch referendum on the Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe was a consultative referendum that was held on 1 June 2005 to decide if the Netherlands would ratify the proposed Constitution of the European Union.
The vote was the first national referendum for over two hundred years, and was not binding on the government, meaning that despite the electorate rejecting the Constitution it could theoretically still be ratified by the States-General. The government did say, however, that it would abide by a decisive result, provided turnout exceeded 30%. Official results say that 61.6% of voters rejected the Constitution, on a turnout of 63.3%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_European_Constitution_referendum,_2005
How this EU dares to speak about bringing democracy is outrageous, we voted against the EU constitution in 2005 , they(our pro eu government and EU officials ) threw our votes overboard changed the name of the treaty and went with it anyway , there is absolutely nothing democratic about that organization
The Dutch referendum on the Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe was a consultative referendum that was held on 1 June 2005 to decide if the Netherlands would ratify the proposed Constitution of the European Union.
The vote was the first national referendum for over two hundred years, and was not binding on the government, meaning that despite the electorate rejecting the Constitution it could theoretically still be ratified by the States-General. The government did say, however, that it would abide by a decisive result, provided turnout exceeded 30%. Official results say that 61.6% of voters rejected the Constitution, on a turnout of 63.3%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_European_Constitution_referendum,_2005
Now you know how we feel when our Constitution is usurped by this self serving leader and his gang. You might like this study. Basically its says that if the Dutch dropped out of the EU, each family would have 10,000 euros more to keep! Over half of Dutch people want out of the EU.
http://www.pvv.nl/images/stories/Netherlands_and_the_Euro_-_Full_Report_Final.pdf
david
You re absolutely right ,I knew of the outcome of this study but i haven't read it yet .
Basically they never asked us if we wanted the euro or the eu in this form , now there are a lot of people that say okay lets stay in it then , remember these EU top people tell all the citizens the economy will collapse if we ever go out , it makes them afraid and they don't want to go out anymore , they say trade will stop if we ever leave the euro (total bull ****)
We basically now have two governments one is our own government the other those corrupt powerhungry bureaucrats in brussel who demand more and more money from us " or else " .
If one ever asked how wars build up and break out ? we could be in the middle of such process
Basically they never asked us if we wanted the euro or the eu in this form , now there are a lot of people that say okay lets stay in it then , remember these EU top people tell all the citizens the economy will collapse if we ever go out , it makes them afraid and they don't want to go out anymore , they say trade will stop if we ever leave the euro (total bull ****)
We basically now have two governments one is our own government the other those corrupt powerhungry bureaucrats in brussel who demand more and more money from us " or else " .
If one ever asked how wars build up and break out ? we could be in the middle of such process
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'I was Putin's pawn'
What it was like to work for the Russian propaganda machine, and why I quit on live TV.
By ELIZABETH WAHL
March 21, 2014
http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ia-today-putins-pawn-104888.html#.Uy1NGc5iKZY
What it was like to work for the Russian propaganda machine, and why I quit on live TV.
By ELIZABETH WAHL
March 21, 2014
http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ia-today-putins-pawn-104888.html#.Uy1NGc5iKZY
Lets see if some from our government's propaganda machines, abc, cbs, nbc, msnbc, cnn, etc. would grow a pair!
Ms Wahl has become quite a story hasn't she? Find below a link to a story that shows some of the story behind the story.
The article is entitled... How Cold War-Hungry Neocons Stage Managed RT Anchor Liz Wahl’s Resignation ...and can be found here... http://www.truthdig.com/report/item..._stage_managed_liz_wahls_resignation_20140319
Makes for some very interesting reading, especially given the way this story is generally reported.
Cheers
Yes NPR is available to the highest bidder eg. they're recently retracting a bogus story.
Via: CNBC
To Understand What's Really Happening in Ukraine, Follow the Gas Lines on This Map
By Katie Engelhart 13 days ago
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Shocking no one, Russia's top natural gas producer, Gazprom, announced last Tuesday that it will cancel a discount on the price it charges for gas in Ukraine.
The bargain, a sweet 30% off the price of gas, was a bid by Moscow to deter Ukraine from accepting a trade deal with the EU.
"This is not linked to politics or anything," Russian President Vladimir Putin told reporters on Tuesday, regarding the discount cancellation.
The ongoing Ukraine crisis is often cast as a battle of values, East versus West. But another way of looking at things is to follow the old gas lines.
In a nutshell:
Ukraine would freeze without Russia.
Some 60% of Ukraine's consumed gas comes from Russia. Over the years this reliance has given rise to a so-called gas "mafia" in Kyiv. Ukrainian oligarchs, working closely with Russian suppliers, have taken advantage of the dependency. It is widely believe that these elites siphon money from state coffers and actively prevent Ukraine from developing a sustainable energy sector. All the while, foreign investors are scared away.
Similarly, Russian energy supplies help Moscow to keep a firm grip on other former Soviet states like Moldova and Georgia. In September Russia's Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin threatened to cut off Moldova's gas supply during the winter if the country continued on its pro-EU economic course. "We hope," said Rogozin to Moldavians, "that you will not freeze."
Europe is hooked too.
Russia supplies, but Ukraine is the middleman. This helps to explain why some European states (like Germany) have been cagey about imposing sanctions on Russia. Germany and Ukraine are Gazprom's biggest foreign purchasers.
Russia is Europe's largest natural gas supplier, supplying about one-third of the continent's natural gas, more than half of which travels through Ukraine. Important pipelines pass through Ukraine to Slovakia, and then on to Germany, Italy and Austria.
So, what would happen if Russia switched off the Ukrainian pipes? Actually it has done just that twice over the last decade, in 2006 and again in 2009, amid pricing disputes between Kyiv and Moscow. The result: gas shortages in several European countries.
Already Europe is working to wean itself off Russian supplies. Ukraine's woes might help to speed up that process.
It's a two-way street.
Russia needs Europe too. Oil and gas trade accounts for half of Russia's annual export revenue and more than half of Russia's federal budget.
Important to note is that many of Russia's important gas pipelines go through Western Ukraine, which is decidedly pro-Europe.
"I would argue that Russia has more to lose than Europe at the moment," says Tim Boersma of the Brookings Institution. "Russia needs European demands. It is making roughly $100 million a day from hydrocarbons.
What about America?
Washington is making moves. The U.S. doesn't export natural gas yet. But congressional Republicans especially are calling to loosen U.S. export restrictions, with the idea that if Washington puts more gas on the market, it can (economically) cut Russia down to size.
The U.S. Department of Energy is issuing permits to American corporations that will let them start exporting gas in 2015.
Fun fact: Who is now leading the U.S. State Department's new Bureau of Energy Resources? It's Carlos Pascual, former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine.
So what about that new global order?
In recent weeks Eurasia experts and political hacks have been talking big about a new global energy order inspired by events in Ukraine.
Chaos in Ukraine, goes this logic, will threaten natural gas supplies and push Europe to look for non-Russian gas sources.
It's already happening. U.S. energy behemoth Halliburton Co. will soon start fracking in Poland. Royal Dutch Shell will start hunting for natural gas in Ukraine next year.
In fact, Europe is already way less energy-dependent on Russia than it was in 2009, the last time Moscow switched off the Ukrainian pipelines. Germany, for instance, has found alternative energy sources in Norway and Algeria.
2009 was a turning point. And 2014 could be Russia's biggest mistake yet.
"We hope," said Rogozin to Moldavians, "that you will not freeze."
That was no idle threat, either. It wasn't so long ago that the Soviet Union starved 6-8 million Ukrainians to death without giving it a second thought.
"The U.S. doesn't export natural gas yet."
Of course, not. The bureaucrats are doing everything in their power to prevent gas exploration and production.
That was no idle threat, either. It wasn't so long ago that the Soviet Union starved 6-8 million Ukrainians to death without giving it a second thought.
"The U.S. doesn't export natural gas yet."
Of course, not. The bureaucrats are doing everything in their power to prevent gas exploration and production.
Very interesting analysis but there are a few things you may want to integrate into your narrative.
The most important bit is that Russia is not limited by pipelines through The Ukraine to get its gas to Europe. The Russians also have a pipeline through Belarus and the newly completed Nord Route that runs under the Baltic. There is also South Route pipeline that when finished will run under the Black Sea. But there is another pipeline that is in the works that could prove to be a real game changer. This pipeline will run gas to China and could become the basis for a situation wherein the US dollar with cease being the world currency of choice ( which given that the US is essentially broke could be catastrophic to the American economic system ....its debt to GDP ratio is kinda sorta at Greek levels and we all know what happened there when everyone realized the emperor was wearing no clothes...).
Another important bit to consider is the dream that fracking represents. Now there is no denying that in the short term that fracking has produced a great deal of gas, but there is a school of thought that sees this production as very short lived. There is also an off-shoot of this school that sees the entire fracking frenzy as the latest is a long line of bubbles that will inevitably explode and wreak havoc with the world economic order ( and not to mention leaving much of the world's most important aquifers as reservoirs of toxic sludge ).
The last bit is the push by energy producers to get the US Department of Energy to issue permits to American corporations to let them to start exporting gas. The story behind this story is that the US producers, with their over-supply of gas, are going to ship gas to Europe and help the EU get rid of their dependence on Russian gas and the leverage that the Russian supply implies. The story behind the story behind the story is what does this development mean for North America? Well for starters it will mean the fracking industry will continue to expand and the energy corporations will start getting much higher prices for their product.
Unfortunately this story may not end well either for the US economic system or individual consumers of energy in North America. A preview to these problems can be seen in the way propane prices exploded over the last winter. Propane you should be aware of is the one energy source that is not tightly controlled by the US Department od Energy and its price was tied to the North American market because of a lack of ability to transport in bulk. With the building of LNG transport facilities propane became a significant export item, but this exporting also drove the price of propane up and this greatly affected rural users such as farmers.
So....we now face a situation where gas is likely to be exported in mass quantities under the guise of helping Europe....and it may certainly help Europe.....but it also allows the energy corporations to make out like bandits and allow those ever starving energy corporations to bring caviar and champagne to the table....and it most certainly will raise the cost of energy for all users in North America.
It will be interesting to see if the North American economy can survive those increases....and if the individual consumer is willing to "subsidize" the fight against the leverage that Russia presently has over the EU.
Cheers
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Regarding the Ukrainians I m sure you are willing to post a : source or link with actual proven facts / independent research for all to learn.
How many countries did the US invade for" democracy " , I lost the count.
democracy means oil
According to the American professor from which I posted the link the story is basically like this :
The Ukraine wanted to have a trade agreement with Russia and the EU , putin said okay with both no problem
The EU (and Us off course ) said : if you sign a trade agreement with Russia , we will not sign one with you , they basically wanted to isolate Russia ( and they succeeded )
So when janoekovitch (who was democratically elected ) said , I want to sign a deal with Russia , the opposition knew the EU deal was off , that's what got the whole thing started at the end of last year , basically the whole thing is a coup planned by the eu and us , that's why Russia doesn't recognize this Ukrainian government
And as Blutto explained there is probably much more to it all then the general public will ever know
How many countries did the US invade for" democracy " , I lost the count.
democracy means oil
According to the American professor from which I posted the link the story is basically like this :
The Ukraine wanted to have a trade agreement with Russia and the EU , putin said okay with both no problem
The EU (and Us off course ) said : if you sign a trade agreement with Russia , we will not sign one with you , they basically wanted to isolate Russia ( and they succeeded )
So when janoekovitch (who was democratically elected ) said , I want to sign a deal with Russia , the opposition knew the EU deal was off , that's what got the whole thing started at the end of last year , basically the whole thing is a coup planned by the eu and us , that's why Russia doesn't recognize this Ukrainian government
And as Blutto explained there is probably much more to it all then the general public will ever know
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I hoped in a sense you would provide a link , and no I am not afraid of water and certainly not of the US go Russia
go Russia
The current lack of mass demonstrations in the European capitals protesting the Russians' "war for oil" vividly demonstrates the continent's absolute hypocrisy.
Reminds me of when DeGaulle withdrew from NATO and demanded that US troops leave French soil as soon as possible. JFK'S Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, replied, "Does that include those who are buried here?"
DeGaulle did not respond.
crimea is partly a naval base its not a oil well , jazdoc its been in Russian hands since ages , Imo the US and EU are the Hypocrits.
If Russia would interfere with the governments in Canada and mexico you think the US would like it.
A neighbor of mine actually found some oil in his garden , its now US property and fenced off .(this is a joke)
If Russia would interfere with the governments in Canada and mexico you think the US would like it.
A neighbor of mine actually found some oil in his garden , its now US property and fenced off .(this is a joke
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We're conveniently forgetting these were originally ndependent nations annexed by Stalin.
And Russia and Iran have and are meddling in N. And S. America.
And Russia and Iran have and are meddling in N. And S. America.
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