I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

[andromedaaudio]

Crimea and adjacent territories were united in the Crimean Khanate during the 15th to 18th century, and fell to the Russian Empire, as the Taurida Oblast in 1783. The Soviet Crimean Oblast became the Autonomous Republic of Crimea within newly-independent Ukraine in 1991. The status of Sevastopol was disputed by the Russian Federation, and only after a lengthy process was it declared a "city with special status" within Ukraine in a Russian-Ukrainian treaty in 1997.


In 1783, at that time stalin wasn't around , And in a not too distant past the Sioux and other native tribes were roaming the prairies in the US , after which they were mostly slaughterd

 

[ddk]

The current lack of mass demonstrations in the European capitals protesting the Russians' "war for oil" vividly demonstrates the continent's absolute hypocrisy.

Reminds me of when DeGaulle withdrew from NATO and demanded that US troops leave French soil as soon as possible. JFK'S Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, replied, "Does that include those who are buried here?"

DeGaulle did not respond.

There's no shortage of hypocrisy, remember the Falklands? And they weren't that close to the UK, where was the outcry there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War

 

[Alrainbow]

No country's are innocent only the people living in them
As all governments representing the country's
Are all corrupt at some level.
It has been this way from roman days.
We as people have little to say without our personnel blood shed
And only then are we labeled patriot or criminal

Al

 

[ddk]

We're conveniently forgetting these were originally ndependent nations annexed by Stalin.

So were Ireland and Scotland. European countries were independent nations up to a few years ago, now their sovereignty is lost to EU and the eurocrats.

And Russia and Iran have and are meddling in N. And S. America.

So BO lifts sanctions on Iran and now wants to put them on Russia, I can see that strategy working to our benefit. Fact is that we don't have the facts but I know if I was Crimean, knowing what I know about the US looking at our current government compared to EU and Putin, I'd go with Putin in a heartbeat!

david

 

[MylesBAstor]

 

[MylesBAstor]

In 1921 the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was created. This republic was dissolved in 1945, and the Crimea became a province first of the Russian SSR (1945-1954) and then the Ukrainian SSR (1954-1991). Since 1991 it has had the status of an Autonomous Republic within Ukraine until its annexation by the Russian Federation in the 2014 Crimean Crisis.

Russian Civil War (1917–1921)[edit]
Following the Russian Revolution of 1917, the military and political situation in Crimea was chaotic like that in much of Russia. During the ensuing Russian Civil War, Crimea changed hands numerous times and was for a time a stronghold of the anti-Bolshevik White Army. It was in Crimea that the White Russians led by General Wrangel made their last stand against Nestor Makhno and the Red Army in 1920. When resistance was crushed, many of the anti-Communist fighters and civilians escaped by ship to Istanbul.


A 25-ruble banknote of the Crimean Regional Government
Crimea changed hands several times over the course of the conflict and several political entities were set up on the peninsula. These included:
Crimean People's Republic — December 1917–January 1918 — Crimean Tatar government
Taurida Soviet Socialist Republic — 19 March 1918 – 30 April 1918 — Bolshevik government
German and Ukrainian People's Republic occupation — May 1918–June 1918
First Crimean Regional Government — 25 June 1918 – 25 November 1918 — German puppet state under Lipka Tatar General Maciej (Suleyman) Sulkiewicz
Second Crimean Regional Government — November 1918–April 1919 — Anti-Bolshevik government under Crimean Karaite former Kadet member Solomon Krym
Crimean Socialist Soviet Republic — 2 April 1919–June 1919 — Bolshevik government
South Russian Government — February 1920–April 1920 — Government of White movement's General Anton Denikin
Government of South Russia — April 1920 (officially, 16 August 1920)–16 November 1920 — Government of White movement's General Pyotr Wrangel
Bolshevik Revolutionary committee government — November 1920–18 October 1921 — Bolshevik government under Béla Kun (until 20 February 1921), then Mikhail Poliakov
Crimean Autonomous Socialist Soviet Republic — 18 October 1921 – 30 June 1945 — Autonomous republic of the RSFSR in the Soviet Union

 

[Vapor1]

Fact is that we don't have the facts but I know if I was Crimean, knowing what I know about the US looking at our current government compared to EU and Putin, I'd go with Putin in a heartbeat!

I would have to agree. The way of the World has always been Governments go bad, period. We knew that when we put strict checks in place over 200 years ago, but those ideas have been shredded. Russia and Putin are no pillars of liberty, but it's a simple matter of their Govt spending to GDP ratio being MUCH smaller than ours (and that of the EU) resulting in a ruling class that doesn't have the means to get their grubby fingers in every aspect of daily life as they do here.

And Russia and Iran have and are meddling in N. And S. America.

An American wagging fingers at Russia and Iran for meddling? Now that's the pinnacle of hypocrisy!

 

[andromedaaudio]

Apparently these worldleaders have a meeting in the hague ,' the nuclear summit ' in Holland as I type this .
This is the first meeting of the G 7 , Russia was kicked out no more G 8 , they look like schoolchildren to me playing their powergames the EU is apparently triple present ,barosso and merkel and maybe van Rompuy (as seen from behind ) as well that would make it G 9
Nobody in Holland voted for their representation they basically invited themselves



g7 by andromeda61, on Flickr

Yep I was right an elected president left and two unelected EU bureaucrats took over ......G 9


wereldleiders by andromeda61, on Flickr

 

[MylesBAstor]

I would have to agree. The way of the World has always been Governments go bad, period. We knew that when we put strict checks in place over 200 years ago, but those ideas have been shredded. Russia and Putin are no pillars of liberty, but it's a simple matter of their Govt spending to GDP ratio being MUCH smaller than ours (and that of the EU) resulting in a ruling class that doesn't have the means to get their grubby fingers in every aspect of daily life as they do here.



An American wagging fingers at Russia and Iran for meddling? Now that's the pinnacle of hypocrisy!

Yeah maybe pictures of Obama shirtless walking around with a gun would make you cry. All you conservative Putin worshppers should go live in Russia and see how great he is. Tell you what. Criticize your dear Putin and you can have the jail cell next to Pussy Riot.

And ruling class? The Russian oligarchs just know better than open their mouths and spoil a good thing. So they are left alone to plunder. Or perhaps you're referring to the Russian Orthodox Church who runs the country and pulls Putin's strings? Or the Ultrnationalists who do Putin's bidding?

 

[Mosin]

Yeah maybe pictures of Obama shirtless walking around with a gun would make you cry. All you conservative Putin worshppers should go live in Russia and see how great he is. Tell you what. Criticize your dear Putin and you can have the jail cell next to Pussy Riot.

And ruling class? The Russian oligarchs just know better than open their mouths and spoil a good thing. So they are left alone to plunder. Or perhaps you're referring to the Russian Orthodox Church who runs the country and pulls Putin's strings? Or the Ultrnationalists who do Putin's bidding?

Indeed, except I believe the church part of Putin is just to appease the masses.

The way I see it is that Putin is Russia's equivalent of our CIA's George H. Bush, only meaner. If anyone believes that a KGB man suddenly had an epiphany and became a good guy overnight, he's dreaming.

 

[ddk]

I would have to agree. The way of the World has always been Governments go bad, period. We knew that when we put strict checks in place over 200 years ago, but those ideas have been shredded. Russia and Putin are no pillars of liberty, but it's a simple matter of their Govt spending to GDP ratio being MUCH smaller than ours (and that of the EU) resulting in a ruling class that doesn't have the means to get their grubby fingers in every aspect of daily life as they do here.

And there lies the rub, elected thieves working hand in hand with the chicago crime boss!

david

 

[ddk]

Yeah maybe pictures of Obama shirtless walking around with a gun would make you cry. All you conservative Putin worshppers should go live in Russia and see how great he is. Tell you what. Criticize your dear Putin and you can have the jail cell next to Pussy Riot.

And ruling class? The Russian oligarchs just know better than open their mouths and spoil a good thing. So they are left alone to plunder. Or perhaps you're referring to the Russian Orthodox Church who runs the country and pulls Putin's strings? Or the Ultrnationalists who do Putin's bidding?

We have plenty of oligarchs plundering and rampant crony capitalism here, no need to travel to Russia for communism anymore since we have it here courtesy for BO and his merry band of thieves and liars. What's the difference between the russian ultra nationalists and BO groupies here? At least unlike BO who hides his past and basically came out of nowhere we know who Putin is, where he came from and what he stands for! Nobody loves Putin here but given the sore backed liar here and eurocrats there he is a shining star!

david

 

[ddk]

Oh, I forgot to mention our friendly neighborhood NSA spying on all of us, an IRS that's weaponized against the citizens, indefinite detention of US citizens, drones that he can use personally to kill people at home or overseas, yeah big difference between BO and Putin just ours is also a very skilled liar. To top it off a tax rate that leaves us poorer than almost any other nation.

Missed anything Myles?

david
ps. This post is probably tagged!

 

[Vapor1]

Yeah maybe pictures of Obama shirtless walking around with a gun would make you cry. All you conservative Putin worshppers should go live in Russia and see how great he is. Tell you what. Criticize your dear Putin and you can have the jail cell next to Pussy Riot.

And ruling class? The Russian oligarchs just know better than open their mouths and spoil a good thing. So they are left alone to plunder. Or perhaps you're referring to the Russian Orthodox Church who runs the country and pulls Putin's strings? Or the Ultrnationalists who do Putin's bidding?

You just jumped to all sorts of conclusions there. I'm far from a Putin worshiper, we're choosing between Beelzebub and Asmodeus here. I'd take Asmodeus because he's a bit lesser, still not a guy I'd want babysitting my children. This "Putin worshiper" talking point is one I see thrown around by libs any time a positive attribute of Putin is mentioned, it sends you into immediate recoil mode. The fact that many consider Russia the lesser of two evils isn't Putin worship, instead it illustrates how far we have fallen.

Pussy Riot isn't in prison anymore either.

 

[blutto]

Yeah know, its kinda funny how the demonizing of Putin has become the predominant meme pushed by the Western media when talking about the Ukrainian situation( and btw used a great deal in this thread to beat down a lot of the critical comments aimed at the Western position in the Ukrainian crisis ).

But what is really interesting is that this meme, and story it is supposed to represent, is pushed with the absolute lack of any in-depth discussions about the "Who" the West is supporting in this confrontation ( though to be honest it is hard to sell fascist thugs and wanna-be mass murders as leaders in a supposedly glorious revolution ) and the "What" we in the West are supposed to be fighting for ( though admittedly again a hard sell when one of the main points of the exercise is to allow banking interests and mega-corps to go in and destroy the country and royally screw over the poor natives ).


Cheers

 

[es347]

Yeah maybe pictures of Obama shirtless walking around with a gun would make you cry. All you conservative Putin worshppers should go live in Russia and see how great he is. Tell you what. Criticize your dear Putin and you can have the jail cell next to Pussy Riot.

And ruling class? The Russian oligarchs just know better than open their mouths and spoil a good thing. So they are left alone to plunder. Or perhaps you're referring to the Russian Orthodox Church who runs the country and pulls Putin's strings? Or the Ultrnationalists who do Putin's bidding?

Myles you and I have a few things in common: cat lovers and audiofools...although I'm not part of the vinyl lunatic fringe. Where we part company is regarding your apparent blanket definition of a conservative. We love Putin? Seriously? I think you have your strong points but posting this sort of political rubbish isn't one of them. An expert on vinyl perhaps...on politics not quite..

 

[andromedaaudio]

What do you think would happen to me if I protested against Obama during the summit , in a large area in our country protests were off limits and you woukd be taken away by police .
Regarding " pussy RIOT " the punk band : Ask some jobless punk /squatters in Holland the question what they think of the government , they hate basically anything , its a anti Russia propaganda machine .
No one asked a normal Russian person who helped organize the Olympic games what they think, its not putin that made for great games its the Russian people , its only negative press , anything bad they can find they will exploit and I find it sickening

Yeah maybe pictures of Obama shirtless walking around with a gun would make you cry. All you conservative Putin worshppers should go live in Russia and see how great he is. Tell you what. Criticize your dear Putin and you can have the jail cell next to Pussy Riot.

And ruling class? The Russian oligarchs just know better than open their mouths and spoil a good thing. So they are left alone to plunder. Or perhaps you're referring to the Russian Orthodox Church who runs the country and pulls Putin's strings? Or the Ultrnationalists who do Putin's bidding?

 

[Elberoth]

Food for thought

 

[andromedaaudio]

More food for thought .

http://rt.com/news/219211-stone-ukraine-us-policy/


incl the Oliver stone doc:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=06A78118676F6B64E8F906A78118676F6B64E8F9

 

[Alpinist]

More food for thought .

http://rt.com/news/219211-stone-ukraine-us-policy/


incl the Oliver stone doc:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=06A78118676F6B64E8F906A78118676F6B64E8F9

Is there any conspiracy theory Oliver Stone does not endorse? The truth is that he despises the U.S. Government and has a huge axe to grind. He is anything but objective.