Anyone else find video reviews annoying?

[Carlos269]

Such an arrogant response to a valid criticism. I've been professionally involved in audio since 1990.

Perhaps YouTube audio influencing is a new market segment for you.

 

[Joe Whip]

Have you ever recorded your own system and played it back? How representative was your recording?

No, why would I?

 

[Carlos269]

No, why would I?

Because it would allow you to comment on the value of videos with some credibility.

 

[Joe Whip]

I have been in rooms where recordings were made and posted on line so I have experience. The videos posted do not convey what I heard in those rooms. I see no need to do so with my room. I am there to listen, not make videos.

 

[Carlos269]

I have been in rooms where recordings were made and posted on line so I have experience. The videos posted do not convey what I heard in those rooms. I see no need to do so with my room. I am there to listen, not make videos.

So if recordings are not convincing then why are we here? This hold audiophile thing falls apart if we don’t believe that recordings are accurate and convincing.

 

[Joe Whip]

You are being argumentative just for the sake of argument. My point is a simple one. I have been in rooms at homes and have heard recordings with a mic and computer, or iPad or phone etc. made in that room and have found them not to convey fully what I heard in the room. Same with show recordings, I just do not find them useful in judging equipment.

 

[Carlos269]

You are being argumentative just for the sake of argument. My point is a simple one. I have been in rooms at homes and have heard recordings with a mic and computer, or iPad or phone etc. made in that room and have found them not to convey fully what I heard in the room. Same with show recordings, I just do not find them useful in judging equipment.

I think that the keyword there is “fully”. No sane person is expecting a video to “fully” reproduce the sound “in the room”.

 

[Joe Whip]

By all means Carlos, use whatever you want in deciding on what gear to buy.

 

[Carlos269]

By all means Carlos, use whatever you want in deciding on what gear to buy.

Thanks. Lucky for me, I’m done with the buying stage and have moved on to the enjoying what I have stage. No worries. Differences of opinions is a healthy environment.

 

[Joe Whip]

Me too. I have a new pre amp coming from SMc Audio in September and that is it.

 

[Wavetouch]

Perhaps YouTube audio influencing is a new market segment for you.

Bingo. The audio stores and manufacturers don't want people to know the truth (all hi-fi sounds unnatural and only audiophiles can like it). The stores want people to visit their stores. The manufacturers don't want to people to compare audio sounds in online because manufacturers know their sounds bad since shoppers listen to their wives who know almost all audio sounds bad.

They don't want to people to know the truth.

 

[Lee]

Bingo. The audio stores and manufacturers don't want people to know the truth (all hi-fi sounds unnatural and only audiophiles can like it). The stores want people to visit their stores. The manufacturers don't want to people to compare audio sounds in online because manufacturers know their sounds bad since shoppers listen to their wives who know almost all audio sounds bad.

They don't want to people to know the truth.

If one is small manufacturer, then I guess it is easier to have this view than it is to compete with more successful brands and beat them on performance and service.

 

[Wavetouch]

If one is small manufacturer, then I guess it is easier to have this view than it is to compete with more successful brands and beat them on performance and service.

The performance matters. Who has the best sound that every body like?

 

[PeterA]

I think that the keyword there is “fully”. No sane person is expecting a video to “fully” reproduce the sound “in the room”.

Exactly right Carlos. This is the argument they always use. It is a false argument based on a false premise. The video proponents have NEVER claimed that the videos fully convey what a system sounds like in room. It is a substitute supplementing a written description. It adds information to the discussion. When you write that your WAAR approach is your goal and that you are satisfied, absent actually hearing your system, others can get some sense of what you mean. Videos are far from perfect, but they are something.

The arguments remain the same for four or five years now. Some members shout that "videos suck". Others say they find them useful, a tool, to help them better understand what they can not hear in person. My own videos helped DDK understand what each of my systems was doing in the context of my room, and he helped me remotely improve the set up based only on what he heard from the videos I sent him privately. Others have also benefited from a similar process. For me, system videos have a very specific purpose.

So it goes, round and round.

 

[Rexp]

Bingo. The audio stores and manufacturers don't want people to know the truth (all hi-fi sounds unnatural and only audiophiles can like it). The stores want people to visit their stores. The manufacturers don't want to people to compare audio sounds in online because manufacturers know their sounds bad since shoppers listen to their wives who know almost all audio sounds bad.

They don't want to people to know the truth.

I'm all for a good conspiracy theory, how about this one, it's the evil record companies that have been denying access to quality recordings since the advent of CD and they don't want folks hearing what a good recording can sound like via YouTube.

 

[Elliot G.]

Probably the best high end channel on YouTube

 

[Elliot G.]

"YouTube videos will never capture everything that is happening in the room regardless of how much money you spend on microphone set ups.
My journey is about sharing my HANDS-ON experience AND ownership of the ultra high end.
A system is designed around what you prefer and not what your buddies wish for. There are no absolutes in this hobby hence the reason why we have so many options available to us.
Wilson Audio, Focal, Magico, Gryphon , Boulder, etc. are all brands that manufacture quality components.
There is no better way to understand what a component does than to actually live with it.
No show or YouTube video will teach you the ultimate expression of a component.
I don't claim to be an expert at anything, but I am certainly wiser about this hobby each day I roll out of bed.
I don't hate nor do I have beef with anyone. I am simply an honest man trying to follow his passion and share it with the world.

Jay

 

[Lagonda]

"YouTube videos will never capture everything that is happening in the room regardless of how much money you spend on microphone set ups.
My journey is about sharing my HANDS-ON experience AND ownership of the ultra high end.
A system is designed around what you prefer and not what your buddies wish for. There are no absolutes in this hobby hence the reason why we have so many options available to us.
Wilson Audio, Focal, Magico, Gryphon , Boulder, etc. are all brands that manufacture quality components.
There is no better way to understand what a component does than to actually live with it.
No show or YouTube video will teach you the ultimate expression of a component.
I don't claim to be an expert at anything, but I am certainly wiser about this hobby each day I roll out of bed.
I don't hate nor do I have beef with anyone. I am simply an honest man trying to follow his passion and share it with the world.

Jay

And make a few bucks in the process ! Always be careful with people proclaiming their own innocence or honesty !

 

[Ron Resnick]

The audio stores and manufacturers don't want people to know the truth

What conspiracy theory is this?

 

[Elliot G.]

What conspiracy theory is this?

Ron , Don't you get the invites to the secret meetings? Do you know the secret handshake? Do you have the decoder ring?