Zero Distortion: Marty's System revisited
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"Interesting that while most owners put the line array inside as recommended, he swaps the L and R speakers over to have them outside, to generate a much bigger soundstage."
Can you help me understand that?
Can you help me understand that?
From looking at the system pic I believe that would be referring to having each speaker positioned so that the line array of tweeters on the outside edge, which is the opposite from what most users do.
I remember (maybe misremember since it was 30+ years ago) that people did something similar with the old Magnepan or Magneplanar speakers, which have the tweeter ribbon running up and down one side of the panel. They reversed the two panels (L vs. R) so that the tweeters were on the outside instead of on the inside to broaden the soundstage. Some old timer please correct me if my memory is wrong here.
Larry
Larry
I did the same with the old asymmetrical A4 Soundlabs, that had the a mid/bass panel and a narrow lateral treble panel.
BTW, recently I checked some 30 years old Soundlab electrostatic tweeters - they are 5 feet long - and they measured as new!
Ked,
IMHO it would be great to have all the threads concerning your blog in a common zone in WBF - perhaps a ZeroDistortion WBF section. Also I would suggest that you include one or two photos in the first post of each thread - people will immediately know what type of system is being debated and probably you will get more visits!
IMHO it would be great to have all the threads concerning your blog in a common zone in WBF - perhaps a ZeroDistortion WBF section. Also I would suggest that you include one or two photos in the first post of each thread - people will immediately know what type of system is being debated and probably you will get more visits!
I suggested that to Ked last week and he was reluctant. I agree with you Micro
There is a good blog feature here
We can put Zero D links in a common zone called Zero Distortion. There will be two others posting as well.
I did put the feature pic underneath the link on two forums I posted on. Did not do so on WBF and AS as everyone knows Mike, and here everyone knows Marty.
Of course for non-WBF systems I will post the pics here.
As for the most visits, I bet it will be the Bionor Horn Turntable Porn pics.
Ron and I discussed this.
I can put links in a zone.
The thing is: when I do WBF systems it is fair to post them on WBF, but if I do another forum system it needs to be posted there. WBF being my base forum, posting and uploading on multiple forums becomes tedious. It also means people across forums don't get access to the reviews of other forums systems. You will be surprised how many seasoned forumites in UK do not know WBF as it is an American forum.
By posting links I avoid these issues. Moreover, it increases forum activity here as well, because if Zero D link is posted on another forum, it will link back to WBF via the post. Also, I can bet that after posting the link, the activity after the link will happen most on WBF, just because it has many active members. I will be adding addendum of any insights from that chat in terms of links, and those should mostly direct back to WBF.
There are also a lot of members not on forums. On facebook or google for example. They will become readers of the forum.
Zero D was started for many objectives:
1. The main is to get gear to review - audiophile's wet dream.
2. There were some trigger points of frustration about other review/blog sites. Like many of you, I have my own beliefs and feel passionate about "correcting people on the internet". This gives me my own canvas.
3. We were introduced to someone who would set up a blog for me at low cost, so there was no admin headache there.
4. When Ken Kessler at the last Windsor Show addressed an audience I was in that he does not go to classical concerts and believe in setting up your system for that, it was a big trigger point. Irrational, but hey, small things can trigger big events. Instead of starting a thread like PeterA did on live concert auditioning, we started a blog. Likewise, some people dismissing apogees because of an older design and lower cost despite not having heard the right ones was a big trigger. And it was going to be super tiring to post about Apogees on other forums as much as I have posted on this one.
5. I had not yet heard Mike's, and I was demoing SS amps for Apogees, I realized I was on the verge of many compares that I wanted to share. Likewise with my thirst for analog compares.
6. When Mike's post started forming in my mind, all trigger points came together, plus the fact that there were a couple of others interested who would join in, so we acted almost overnight.
7. The objective is to spread whatever I/we love across, and not be restricted to one forum, plus enjoy any resultant "gear review" benefits. Needless to say, my base forum is very clear.
8. We will therefore have a strong classical bent, for both gear auditioning and LP reports, and stick to certain philosophies (which could change on new material, as change is a philosophy).
In fact, it was on the Maggies that I first learned this "trick". I had the original Magneplanar Tympani 1U loudspeakers and found they imaged far better with tweeters on the outside. I never understood why anyone would listen to them any other way. Of course, much depended on aligning the bass panels accordingly so that it all came together nicely at the listening position. The same was true of the Maggie 1C and 1D (I had both). The other pearl about the 1U, which was taught to me by a very sharp listener in Rochester, NY, was that the magnets were only on the front panel, so the sound was far better if you listened to them "backwards" (the rear of the speaker faced the listener). Of course, they looked like crap as the speaker terminations were right in front of you as well, but man, they certainly sounded best when listening with the rear side facing the listener. When Magenpan finally put magnets on both sides of their drivers, this "listening backwards" advantage was lost in the later models, where it didn't matter any longer. As far as tweeters on the outside, I still prefer to listen to Maggie 3.7i's the same way. I also think that if one is using subs, inboard subs next to the bass panels is often preferential, but this may be room and system dependent.
We usually tend to position the tweeters away from the side walls, for less reflections. Most designs are constructed that way. My own speakers are.
I don't remember if I ever tried to reverse them...but I'm wide open in experimenting.
Today with acoustical room treatments on the side walls the design philosophy has changed for the more versatility.
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I don't remember if I ever tried to reverse them...but I'm wide open in experimenting.
Today with acoustical room treatments on the side walls the design philosophy has changed for the more versatility.
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We usually tend to position the tweeters away from the side walls, for less reflections. Most designs are constructed that way. My own speakers are.
I don't remember if I ever tried to reverse them...but I'm wide open in experimenting.
Today with acoustical room treatments on the side walls the design philosophy has changed for the more versatility.
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My speakers,
http://www.reference3a.com/decapo.html
are specifically designed for the tweeters to be on the outside.
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That image looks like a Death Star/Darth Vader speaker.
No, just B&S, I mean.... B&O.
That's the back, so it's probably for dipole type use. The actual main tweeters I think are singular on the front (aim-able).
That's the back, so it's probably for dipole type use. The actual main tweeters I think are singular on the front (aim-able).
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