Which is Better Sound From High Power: Single Tube SET or Parallel Tube SET?

[morricab]

What does unmusical mean.

The flip side of the coin is 300B, 45, 2A3 etc are artificial and untrue to the source. Not that you can't like them. But they are creating sounds that are not how the mastering engineer intended for the music to be heard.

The 300b is probably the most linear amplification device ever invented. If you hear untruth it is the implementation.

 

[christensenleif@msn.com]

you all sound like hyenas protecting your turf

 

[andromedaaudio]

The 300b is probably the most linear amplification device ever invented. If you hear untruth it is the implementation.

I fooled around with it for 2 years or so, arguably one of the best tube amp manufacturers in the bizz
On 2 or 3 different speaker rmodels and many many tubes .
The amp could drive this model perfectly .
For the bigger XPE model it was not sufficient .
It wasnt bad it only lacked a bit bass controll.

As you can see i had enough SS amps laying around for power comparison.
Krell mono s and Boulder

 

[morricab]

I fooled around with it for 2 years or so, arguably one of the best tube amp manufacturers in the bizz
On 2 or 3 different speaker rmodels and many many tubes .
The amp could drive this model perfectly .
For the bigger XPE model it was not sufficient .
It wasnt bad it only lacked a bit bass controll.

As you can see i had enough SS amps laying around for power comparison.

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Sensitivity of those speakers? Load?

 

[bonzo75]

What does unmusical mean.

The flip side of the coin is 300B, 45, 2A3 etc are artificial and untrue to the source. Not that you can't like them. But they are creating sounds that are not how the mastering engineer intended for the music to be heard.

did you not use dartzeel on horns, fought with an Audion, and now discovered found music? Which 300b, 45, and 2a3 did you listen to, and on what?

 

[bonzo75]

you all sound like hyenas protecting your turf

actually, it’s not Kedar, but his hyena that’s typing from the keyboard. He delegates such quarrels to me he is not required

 

[andromedaaudio]

Sensitivity of those speakers? Load?

Around 94 db.



Old phone recording

 

[christensenleif@msn.com]

get over 100db and we´ll talk

 

[morricab]

I fooled around with it for 2 years or so, arguably one of the best tube amp manufacturers in the bizz
On 2 or 3 different speaker rmodels and many many tubes .
The amp could drive this model perfectly .
For the bigger XPE model it was not sufficient .
It wasnt bad it only lacked a bit bass controll.

As you can see i had enough SS amps laying around for power comparison.

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Are those speakers you’ve made or are they a commercial design?

 

[andromedaaudio]

Are those speakers you’ve made or are they a commercial design?

It was a previous model , off course my design
It was sold to the netherlands

 

[DasguteOhr]

Mentor SET 300B/2a3 Power Amplifier – ANK Audio Kits

ankaudiokits.com

you don't need a lot of money to snoop around the set amp life. the audionote kits are good. a couple of 300b tj globshape(500€) driver tubes 150€ and rectifier 5u4g svetlana 30€.for 5k€ new you get a phantastic sound gurantee

 

[Salectric]

A friend wants to sell me a WE clone by Deja Vu. Suppose to be old Chicago Electric iron. A 300B PP. Be says its the best he heard. Its only $6k with 4.x Elrog 300B. I'm interested, but I'm so tired of getting something I never heard, then feeling I threw away money.

I am skeptical about it being a WE circuit. I have heard several Deja Vu 300B amps and they all used more modern circuitry with 6sn7 input and driver stages.

 

[morricab]

Mentor SET 300B/2a3 Power Amplifier – ANK Audio Kits

ankaudiokits.com

you don't need a lot of money to snoop around the set amp life. the audionote kits are good. a couple of 300b tj globshape(500€) driver tubes 150€ and rectifier 5u4g svetlana 30€.for 5k€ new you get a phantastic sound gurantee

The Svetlana is a great rectifier for the money! Very dynamic and holographic. Perhaps not the last word in tone but it is still not thin sounding.

 

[Argonaut]

Don't worry, just another zealot speaking (shrug).

Do give the less than faint whiff of Ad -Hom turd slinging a rest for a change and perhaps make an attempt to engage in debate like an adult …

 

[bonzo75]

Do give the less than faint whiff of Ad -Hom turd slinging a rest for a change and perhaps make an attempt to engage in debate like an adult …

he has never heard much SETs and horns but wants a participation trophy. He has heard at a show the Volti with Silvercore 833c, Peter’s system, and a duo probably.

 

[Al M.]

Do give the less than faint whiff of Ad -Hom turd slinging a rest for a change and perhaps make an attempt to engage in debate like an adult …

That's rich.

Who here has not been debating like an adult? Think about it.

 

[Argonaut]

That's rich.

Who here has not been debating like an adult? Think about it.

Be specific and point that out then ? … However I would rather that you your spent time debating post 001 of this thread !

 

[Argonaut]

he has never heard much SETs and horns but wants a participation trophy. He has heard at a show the Volti with Silvercore 833c, Peter’s system, and a duo probably.

Ahhh Understood …

 

[Kingrex]

did you not use dartzeel on horns, fought with an Audion, and now discovered found music? Which 300b, 45, and 2a3 did you listen to, and on what?

Whammerdyne 2A3. Forgot the speakers, a fully custom 45 on horns. Airtight 300B on DeVore. Altecs 1569 on horns.

The Found Music is along the lines of any of theae. But it was a lot more. It semed to have more drive and percussion. More inner detail. I was very pleased by the 300B and 45 I heard. Very nice and my flavor. On the 45 we were listening to a lot of Punk. So its hard to say inner detail. But the speed, pop and grit was all there. The 300B more jazz/singer type music. Neither made me say I have to have it. But I would happily enjoy them.

Jazdocs system I heard years ago was a benchmark. And like I said earlier, I thought it was the speaker that made it. I was somewhat wrong. Its a good speaker, but what drew me to it was the amp. Or so I know now. He has a Blade also. In my system with the Blade I can hear the push of the sax players breath. Details so far beyond anything I have heard ouside Mike L and Jazdocs place. I thought my system with the Blade was one of the best systems I ever heard. Especially for my taste. I'm sorry but my Dartzeel is nothing like it. Not with my speaker. I hear beautiful sax notes. But I don't hear the performers breath in their chest and lips touching the instrument. I have never heard that on any other system outside Mike and Jazdocs.


Someone who likes Dagostino/Wilson/Magico/Boulder would probably find it not their taste. But I bet they would go home and put on the same album and wonder why they can't hear some things they heard with mine. What I don't hear out of mine those Dag/Boulder type systems bring is visceral punch and thrust. And a sort of inky black background.

I'm just saying, if you want to crap on a KT88, whick I perceive you doing when you say its not musical, then you have not heard one applied well. If an opinion of a KT88 is based upon a VAC, BAT, Audio Research CJ then you are judging on a limiting set of experiences. And you also have to be clear on what you call "Musical". I am not sure that detail and close to live is actual "Musical" Its detailed and sounds close to the actual event. But someone might say thats not musical. Musical might mean full of bloom and liquid smooth. Neither would be incorrect when applying the definition to the word.

 

[Kingrex]

KT 88, 66, 120, 150, 170 are all unmusical.