How Apple Sidesteps Billions in Taxes

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From the New York Times.....

By CHARLES DUHIGG and DAVID KOCIENIEWSKI


RENO, Nev. — Apple, the world’s most profitable technology company, doesn’t design iPhones here. It doesn’t run AppleCare customer service from this city. And it doesn’t manufacture MacBooks or iPads anywhere nearby.

Yet, with a handful of employees in a small office here in Reno, Apple has done something central to its corporate strategy: it has avoided millions of dollars in taxes in California and 20 other states.

Apple’s headquarters are in Cupertino, Calif. By putting an office in Reno, just 200 miles away, to collect and invest the company’s profits, Apple sidesteps state income taxes on some of those gains.

California’s corporate tax rate is 8.84 percent. Nevada’s? Zero.

Setting up an office in Reno is just one of many legal methods Apple uses to reduce its worldwide tax bill by billions of dollars each year. As it has in Nevada, Apple has created subsidiaries in low-tax places like Ireland, the Netherlands, Luxembourg and the British Virgin Islands — some little more than a letterbox or an anonymous office — that help cut the taxes it pays around the world.

Almost every major corporation tries to minimize its taxes, of course. For Apple, the savings are especially alluring because the company’s profits are so high. Wall Street analysts predict Apple could earn up to $45.6 billion in its current fiscal year — which would be a record for any American business.

Apple serves as a window on how technology giants have taken advantage of tax codes written for an industrial age and ill suited to today’s digital economy. Some profits at companies like Apple, Google, Amazon, Hewlett-Packard and Microsoft derive not from physical goods but from royalties on intellectual property, like the patents on software that makes devices work. Other times, the products themselves are digital, like downloaded songs. It is much easier for businesses with royalties and digital products to move profits to low-tax countries than it is, say, for grocery stores or automakers. A downloaded application, unlike a car, can be sold from anywhere.

The growing digital economy presents a conundrum for lawmakers overseeing corporate taxation: although technology is now one of the nation’s largest and most valued industries, many tech companies are among the least taxed, according to government and corporate data. Over the last two years, the 71 technology companies in the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index — including Apple, Google, Yahoo and Dell — reported paying worldwide cash taxes at a rate that, on average, was a third less than other S.& P. companies’. (Cash taxes may include payments for multiple years.)

Even among tech companies, Apple’s rates are low. And while the company has remade industries, ignited economic growth and delighted customers, it has also devised corporate strategies that take advantage of gaps in the tax code, according to former executives who helped create those strategies.

Apple, for instance, was among the first tech companies to designate overseas salespeople in high-tax countries in a manner that allowed them to sell on behalf of low-tax subsidiaries on other continents, sidestepping income taxes, according to former executives. Apple was a pioneer of an accounting technique known as the “Double Irish With a Dutch Sandwich,” which reduces taxes by routing profits through Irish subsidiaries and the Netherlands and then to the Caribbean. Today, that tactic is used by hundreds of other corporations — some of which directly imitated Apple’s methods, say accountants at those companies.

Without such tactics, Apple’s federal tax bill in the United States most likely would have been $2.4 billion higher last year, according to a recent study by a former Treasury Department economist, Martin A. Sullivan. As it stands, the company paid cash taxes of $3.3 billion around the world on its reported profits of $34.2 billion last year, a tax rate of 9.8 percent. (Apple does not disclose what portion of those payments was in the United States, or what portion is assigned to previous or future years.)

By comparison, Wal-Mart last year paid worldwide cash taxes of $5.9 billion on its booked profits of $24.4 billion, a tax rate of 24 percent, which is about average for non-tech companies.
 
Steve, I saw that article yesterday. According to the article. Apple is "sidestepping" all the additional taxes by using legal "loopholes" that are available to them.
All larger companies have armies of accountants that are hired to do exactly the same thing. ( Seek out and utilize all available "loopholes" )
IMO, this "inequity" of taxation is something that can and could be very easily fixed....remember the call for a "flat tax rate". One flat rate, no deductions, no loopholes and that's it....simple.

Only problem is: what happens to the army of accountants that are currently well employed by these corporations? Can we all say "lobbying power":eek:
 
It's bad enough when other countries shelter American companies from pulling their weight. When states, within the "United" states are stealing revenue from each other, it has gone too far. The basic structure we use to tax companies doing business in our markets is broken, bipassed, irrelevant. If they don't want to pay their share, they simply take their business off shore and sell the products here. What's valuable? Our markets. Our consumers. We should tax them for access to them. Instead of allowing the Chinese to steal our intellectual property, manipulate their currency, then, after cheating us, operate unfettered in the greatest consumer economy in the world, we should simply tax them for everything they sell inside the US.

Tim
 
There's nothing stopping California from dropping their tax rates. That is, unless by dropping them they lose more than they gain in the end.
 
tax havens et al.

It's bad enough when other countries shelter American companies from pulling their weight. When states, within the "United" states are stealing revenue from each other, it has gone too far.

I find it really interesting. Living in Switzerland, being Swiss, you get used to be the "Bad boy" in this connection. Really interesting it gets if you compare states like Nevada (not quite sure, wasn't it Delaware being a tax haven??) to the Kanton Zug (this is one of the smallest swiss "republics", called Canton, or Kanton) which has a comparable (or rather incomparable) number of postbox companies because of their tax strategies.

1) Switzerland has got a public vote called referendum on all things for which you get 100000 signatures: They recently refused to equalise tax over the whole of Switzerland, abolishing "agreements", so most of the Swiss people actually think they can gain something, not aware, that those gains never reach the broad public..

2) the swiss government recently refused to protest against unequal treatment of Switzerland vs Jersey, Delaware, Luxembourg and so on. This I can partly understand, as most people simply do not know, that there are dozens of such schemes, may they be regional or national. But the path to a fair tax system is still long, as there will always somebody try and do a dumping offer..

For all you know, Apple might have given work to a hundred people in Reno, very useful!??
 
And in order to be constructiv:
No way are we gonna change companies - or even ourselfs - to look for the best offer!
But closing loopholes would change the game for good. And Somebody has to dare starting it!

ANYBODY?
 
As the article kind of notes, what Apple is doing is standard practice in tech companies. At Microsoft, we had the Reno accounting group. Ditto for Ireland and such. Didn't realize Apple had invented some of these schemes though. Apple being a public company has a fiduciary responsibility to shareholders to maximize profits and if such techniques do it, they have to pursue them or will get beat up by analysts and shareholders for not knowing how to do their job.

You want to get upset, think about $2.50 paid to a consortium of companies for any device that plays MPEG-2. They created a standard such as DVD and Blu-ray and proceeded to set the prices just the same. Collectively we pay billions of dollars for MPEG-2 alone. Yet in blu-ray it is not even used, or hardly ever! And these monies go almost entirely to foreign companies. Sadly this is all legal and blessed by department of justice. One my unknown claims to fame is causing the follow on compression systems such as MPEG-4 to be a fraction of the cost of MPEG-2! We had patents there and so got to be at the seat when these discussions occurred. And we managed to convince everyone to go for something like $0.30 in royalties with a maximum cap.
 
There's nothing stopping California from dropping their tax rates. That is, unless by dropping them they lose more than they gain in the end.

That's correct, but then you simply escalate the competition to undercut each other, resulting in lost revenue across the board. Hey, I don't like paying taxes any more than the next guy, but I do understand that civilization has a cost and that here in the U.S. we're falling behind in our payments as our infrastructure decays, our debt builds and our jobs disappear. Countries, states, counties, cities -- all of their business taxes are an attempt to collect revenue for "doing business here." All I'm proposing is a reinterpretation of what it means to "do business here" that would, IMO, actually focus on the real value. If you can take everything that benefits the local economy elsewhere, then come right back and do all the business there that benefits you, at little or no cost, why wouldn't any company do that? They would. They have. And we're paying for it.

Tim
 
Fabulous! you are truly to be congratulated-
Me being a musician I would wish that the current discussion about copyright could be solved on such a middle ground basis: there seems to be so much either the opinion for free shareware (mostly in the free scene) or full prohibitous behaviour by the big multinationals (also representing the small record labels in their way). But of course the mentioned .30$ still represent a fortune :)
 
That's correct, but then you simply escalate the competition to undercut each other, resulting in lost revenue across the board. Hey, I don't like paying taxes any more than the next guy, but I do understand that civilization has a cost and that here in the U.S. we're falling behind in our payments as our infrastructure decays, our debt builds and our jobs disappear. Countries, states, counties, cities -- all of their business taxes are an attempt to collect revenue for "doing business here." All I'm proposing is a reinterpretation of what it means to "do business here" that would, IMO, actually focus on the real value. If you can take everything that benefits the local economy elsewhere, then come right back and do all the business there that benefits you, at little or no cost, why wouldn't any company do that? They would. They have. And we're paying for it.

Tim
I am sorry if I am missing your position Tim :). But apple contributes heavily to the local CA economy. All of those employees with big pay off in stock options are spending it there for the most part. They have major operations there. I once read that for every Microsoft employee we hired, we created 4.5 jobs in the local economy! The local audio/video and car dealerships to Microsoft had some of the highest profits and sales in the country for example! Not make excuses for tax loopholes, including the major ones that keeps the generated cash overseas, but this is not a situation where the company has taken all of its operations and gone some place cheap. It is hard to find skilled labor for high-tech that way.
 
Gee, Apple doesn't want to pay its fair share for welfare rats, delusionary environmental policy, prisons and public extortion unions?

Maybe California should seize Apple executives' beachfront estates and use them for teacher's union parties.

Even individuals can purchase a place in Nevada, use it as their primary residence, keep a CA residence as secondary, and avoid CA tax, as long as the income isn't earned in CA.
 
Read this yesterday.

Apple leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

They are not a charitable company, by any stretch, despite their profits.

Less than 10% of the people they employ are in the US.

What they do with their tax evasion is legal, but wholly unethical.

Their executive were caught backdating options, a Federal crime. No one one
went to jail, not even a slap on the wrist.

I believe they are partly responsible for the destruction of the quality of modern recorded music.

They also are liars. They lied about selling "CD quality" music when they opened up the iTunes store. This is an outright lie...outrageous. They lied and continue to lie about battery life on all iDevices.

I do not drink the Cupertino KoolAid and I never will.



From the New York Times.....

By CHARLES DUHIGG and DAVID KOCIENIEWSKI


RENO, Nev. — Apple, the world’s most profitable technology company, doesn’t design iPhones here. It doesn’t run AppleCare customer service from this city. And it doesn’t manufacture MacBooks or iPads anywhere nearby.

Yet, with a handful of employees in a small office here in Reno, Apple has done something central to its corporate strategy: it has avoided millions of dollars in taxes in California and 20 other states.

Apple’s headquarters are in Cupertino, Calif. By putting an office in Reno, just 200 miles away, to collect and invest the company’s profits, Apple sidesteps state income taxes on some of those gains.

California’s corporate tax rate is 8.84 percent. Nevada’s? Zero.

Setting up an office in Reno is just one of many legal methods Apple uses to reduce its worldwide tax bill by billions of dollars each year. As it has in Nevada, Apple has created subsidiaries in low-tax places like Ireland, the Netherlands, Luxembourg and the British Virgin Islands — some little more than a letterbox or an anonymous office — that help cut the taxes it pays around the world.

Almost every major corporation tries to minimize its taxes, of course. For Apple, the savings are especially alluring because the company’s profits are so high. Wall Street analysts predict Apple could earn up to $45.6 billion in its current fiscal year — which would be a record for any American business.

Apple serves as a window on how technology giants have taken advantage of tax codes written for an industrial age and ill suited to today’s digital economy. Some profits at companies like Apple, Google, Amazon, Hewlett-Packard and Microsoft derive not from physical goods but from royalties on intellectual property, like the patents on software that makes devices work. Other times, the products themselves are digital, like downloaded songs. It is much easier for businesses with royalties and digital products to move profits to low-tax countries than it is, say, for grocery stores or automakers. A downloaded application, unlike a car, can be sold from anywhere.

The growing digital economy presents a conundrum for lawmakers overseeing corporate taxation: although technology is now one of the nation’s largest and most valued industries, many tech companies are among the least taxed, according to government and corporate data. Over the last two years, the 71 technology companies in the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index — including Apple, Google, Yahoo and Dell — reported paying worldwide cash taxes at a rate that, on average, was a third less than other S.& P. companies’. (Cash taxes may include payments for multiple years.)

Even among tech companies, Apple’s rates are low. And while the company has remade industries, ignited economic growth and delighted customers, it has also devised corporate strategies that take advantage of gaps in the tax code, according to former executives who helped create those strategies.

Apple, for instance, was among the first tech companies to designate overseas salespeople in high-tax countries in a manner that allowed them to sell on behalf of low-tax subsidiaries on other continents, sidestepping income taxes, according to former executives. Apple was a pioneer of an accounting technique known as the “Double Irish With a Dutch Sandwich,” which reduces taxes by routing profits through Irish subsidiaries and the Netherlands and then to the Caribbean. Today, that tactic is used by hundreds of other corporations — some of which directly imitated Apple’s methods, say accountants at those companies.

Without such tactics, Apple’s federal tax bill in the United States most likely would have been $2.4 billion higher last year, according to a recent study by a former Treasury Department economist, Martin A. Sullivan. As it stands, the company paid cash taxes of $3.3 billion around the world on its reported profits of $34.2 billion last year, a tax rate of 9.8 percent. (Apple does not disclose what portion of those payments was in the United States, or what portion is assigned to previous or future years.)

By comparison, Wal-Mart last year paid worldwide cash taxes of $5.9 billion on its booked profits of $24.4 billion, a tax rate of 24 percent, which is about average for non-tech companies.
 
Read this yesterday.

Apple leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

They are not a charitable company, by any stretch, despite their profits.

Less than 10% of the people they employ are in the US.

What they do with their tax evasion is legal, but wholly unethical.

Their executive were caught backdating options, a Federal crime. No one one
went to jail, not even a slap on the wrist.

I believe they are partly responsible for the destruction of the quality of modern recorded music.

They also are liars. They lied about selling "CD quality" music when they opened up the iTunes store. This is an outright lie...outrageous. They lied and continue to lie about battery life on all iDevices.

I do not drink the Cupertino KoolAid and I never will.

Cool. Just don't look too closely at the alternatives or you may find yourself with nothing to buy.

Tim
 
No argument there.

The difference is that Apple supposedly represents the counter culture take on corporate America.
The "good guys".

A load of PR BS. Total rubbish. They are a scorched earth ravenous shark like all the rest of them.

They get away with murder due to all the "good will" they have amassed.

Again, I don.t buy it, but you certainly have a point my friend!

Cool. Just don't look too closely at the alternatives or you may find yourself with nothing to buy.

Tim
 
No argument there.

The difference is that Apple supposedly represents the counter culture take on corporate America.
The "good guys".

A load of PR BS. Total rubbish. They are a scorched earth ravenous shark like all the rest of them.

They get away with murder due to all the "good will" they have amassed.

Again, I don.t buy it, but you certainly have a point my friend!

If by "get away with it" you mean that they continue to be beloved, in spite of the fact that they can be as ruthlessly competitive as the worst of them, I think it is because of the good will they have amassed through the relentless pursuit of a seamless, integrated and excellent customer experience. People aren't loyal to Apple, a company, like they would be to their favorite rock band or sports team because Apple loves puppies, cuddles with the environment and hires the homeless. They give an unprecedented level of loyalty to hardware and software because the stuff simply works. We can argue all day about open sources and closed systems and audiophile sensibilities, but there are millions of people out there who were incredibly frustrated by the fact that they couldn't seem to install anything - hard or soft - on their computers without phone calls, emails, downloads and desperate pleas for help, and Apple came along and said "Here. Do what it says on the three bullet points on this one very small piece of paper. Got that? Now it's time to play! Manual? You don't need a manual..."

Yeah, and I know Windows got better, but it was quite a bit too little and far too late. People who once spent the better part of a day getting a damn wireless hub to send the internet to two or three Windows machines now walk into the den with their iThing, push one virtual button, and stream whatever the iThing is playing to their stereo or TV. Releative to their experience, it's magic. And that's why Apple is "getting away with it."

Tim
 
All true.

You speak the truth my friend.

I actually switched to a Mac Mini because my HP Windows machine got whacked with yet another virus which took me 3 days to eradicate. I had had it.

I actually hate HP far more than I dislike Apple. Any company that would hire Meg Whitman is the pits.

I do find the lack of FLAC support in Apple to be maddening however.

If by "get away with it" you mean that they continue to be beloved, in spite of the fact that they can be as ruthlessly competitive as the worst of them, I think it is because of the good will they have amassed through the relentless pursuit of a seamless, integrated and excellent customer experience. People aren't loyal to Apple, a company, like they would be to their favorite rock band or sports team because Apple loves puppies, cuddles with the environment and hires the homeless. They give an unprecedented level of loyalty to hardware and software because the stuff simply works. We can argue all day about open sources and closed systems and audiophile sensibilities, but there are millions of people out there who were incredibly frustrated by the fact that they couldn't seem to install anything - hard or soft - on their computers without phone calls, emails, downloads and desperate pleas for help, and Apple came along and said "Here. Do what it says on the three bullet points on this one very small piece of paper. Got that? Now it's time to play! Manual? You don't need a manual..."

Yeah, and I know Windows got better, but it was quite a bit too little and far too late. People who once spent the better part of a day getting a damn wireless hub to send the internet to two or three Windows machines now walk into the den with their iThing, push one virtual button, and stream whatever the iThing is playing to their stereo or TV. Releative to their experience, it's magic. And that's why Apple is "getting away with it."

Tim
 
You speak the truth my friend.

I actually switched to a Mac Mini because my HP Windows machine got whacked with yet another virus which took me 3 days to eradicate. I had had it.

I actually hate HP far more than I dislike Apple. Any company that would hire Meg Whitman is the pits.

I do find the lack of FLAC support in Apple to be maddening however.

As long as Apple lossless and FLAC sound the same to me, and they do, I'm not terribly bothered by it. I do find the occasional FLAC file that I can't get in Apple lossless, because I tend to seek out some pretty obscure stuff. I have a little program that converts it for me.

Tim
 

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