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  1. sigbergaudio

    Is Audiophilia a Dying Hobby or Just in Need of a Tune-Up?

    As a manufacturer of somewhat novel products I would of course be happy to agree with that. I wasn't arguing that we weren't, just explaining why a live brass band sounds different in real life than through a sound system. :) Most sound systems still lack dynamic capacity though. Which is a...
  2. sigbergaudio

    Is Audiophilia a Dying Hobby or Just in Need of a Tune-Up?

    There are of course many other things in the world today that fights for attention, but I honestly think you are downplaying the importance of music today. Concerts and festivals gather immense amounts of people today as well. I indeed was not there at for instance Woodstock way back when. But...
  3. sigbergaudio

    Is Audiophilia a Dying Hobby or Just in Need of a Tune-Up?

    I would argue this is still very much the case, but likely somewhat invisible to us "old farts". First example: To share a recent anecdote I found quite interesting: One of the largest games in the world, Fortnite, has music and artist collaboration as an integrated part of the game experience...
  4. sigbergaudio

    Is Audiophilia a Dying Hobby or Just in Need of a Tune-Up?

    What was the qualities in the older music that made people want to buy better Hi Fi?
  5. sigbergaudio

    Is Audiophilia a Dying Hobby or Just in Need of a Tune-Up?

    There are three main reasons behind this. The first one is that all commercial recordings have intentionally compressed dynamic range. To put it plainly; The difference between the loudest and the softest parts are less than in real life. If they didn't do that, when you listened at normal /...
  6. sigbergaudio

    Post Your Frequency Response Curve!

    I wouldn't say that's a great analogy. That being said, I of course agree, and recommend having a system where everything can be flattened out, aka access to EQ in the entire bass area, typically high passing the mains. Alas, many is not interested in that approach, and would rather keep a pure...
  7. sigbergaudio

    Post Your Frequency Response Curve!

    Sure, but it would be worse higher up. :)
  8. sigbergaudio

    Post Your Frequency Response Curve!

    You are lucky that your main peak is so low in frequency, most music won't go this low, so it won't have a lot of practical consequence. You are right it would be difficult to treat with traps or absorbtion, but EQ would handle it easily, but I assume you don't have that capability in your audio...
  9. sigbergaudio

    Wilson Audio Submerge Subwoofer

    Well, technically it isn't a fallacy, but in practice it is. Technically, if the power amplifier has coloration within the frequency band that the subwoofer is reproducing, it will be retained when using the high level inputs. In practice; When using high level inputs, people will typically...
  10. sigbergaudio

    Wilson Audio Submerge Subwoofer

    If the main goal is the cleanest possible signal, it's an objective fact that a low level signal from the preamp will be cleaner and have less distortion, as opposed to amplifying the signal twice. It is also the only way to get proper bass management. If the main goal is to pick up coloration...
  11. sigbergaudio

    Egeland Acoustics 3D printed, viscoelastic damping feet

    Disclaimer: I just mentioned these in our development thread for our Saranna fullrange speakers as well, since we're collaborating with Egeland on feet for these speakers. But I thought I'd create a specific thread for them as well. Hopefully this is okay (let a moderator know if not), as I have...
  12. sigbergaudio

    Sigberg Audio subwoofers - Subwoofers designed for music!

    To give an example of what the subs can do: I recently helped a customer who has our Manta speakers as well as four 10D subwoofers to do some EQ of his setup. He has a pretty large and open space. The EQ was implemented through the onboard DSP in the subs. The result was really good, with a...
  13. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    Until proof is presented I rest my case.
  14. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    If you have been building subwoofers based on this theory for 20 years or however long it is, I find it interesting that you in all that time have never taken measurements of any them to prove the theory that they excite room modes to a lesser degree than a normal sub. The reviews doesn't...
  15. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    This make no practical sense. The reason why the room modes dominate more as you move away from the sub is because their origin is the room, not the subwoofer. If the subwoofer itself created so much variance in the response that we see several dB peaks and nulls at the listening position, this...
  16. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    Can you then explain why nearfield measurements of traditional subwoofers done in-room do not show the room modes?
  17. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    Let me try again to explain / repeat what you are claiming in my own words. You are suggesting that the driver cone is activated by the room modes, and this is the reason the response is not even? While with your superdamped design, this does not happen, which results in the response in-room...
  18. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    What is most confusing in this whole debate is that I have completely failed to identify what you present as a big problem during development of our subwoofers. If it is such a huge problem, surely I would have encountered this and found it to be problematic. But that has not happened. So, I...
  19. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    Our subwoofers also result in a bass image that appears to be part of the soundstage. We build speaker systems where the subwoofers are an intergrated part of a 4-way system, so a subwoofer behaving as you claim traditional subwoofers do would not cut it. The problems you describe do not exist...
  20. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    With a 6.5" driver and low xmax you are unlikely to compete with anyone on low distortion. But I am still interested to see proof that your subwoofer is not affected by room modes.
  21. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    Thank you for sharing more graphs. To be able to judge the level and distortion at 2W against anything else, you'd need to specify the distance between the microphone and the sub, and ideally use a standardized distance like for instance 1 meter or 2 meters. To still be able to get the...
  22. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    @Musical Bass If you've really been able to make any sort of progress and innovation here, that's awesome! But you need to stop expecting people to just believe it because you say it, and listen to the feedback you get. Go back and take proper measurements to prove your claims, then I think...
  23. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    Yes it is. 1/6th smoothing, and it is impossible to see anything in the upper bass, the graph has 10dB between each line.
  24. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    I would also not purchase a product that claims to defy the laws of physics just because the manufacturer says "It is true, no proof is needed". I am not saying graphs are everything. However, you are making very specific claims that can be easily proved by graphs, so it's strange to not...
  25. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    Do you have a technical employee that can join the conversation perhaps? All the graphs you have shared so far and all the graphs on your website employ significant smoothing. The spectral response is also nowhere near detailed enough to prove anything. To have a somewhat flattish response in...
  26. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    First: I have repeatedly explained that your graphs lack any sort of detail. Please provide the graphs with an x-axis of 20-200hz and y-axis of 45-105dB. To ask us to listen to it as way of proof doesn't make any sense. A measurement shows peaks and nulls way better than ears. Second: Any sub...
  27. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    This is not true.
  28. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    So are you saying you have created a cardioid sub? Perhaps our cardioid speakers are of interest to you: https://www.sigbergaudio.no/products/sigberg-audio-manta-1-active-speakers A cardioid subwoofer can certainly improve the frequency response at the listening position, but it has little to...
  29. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    I claim BS until you can prove this, and it is such an incredible claim that it should be verified by a third party.
  30. sigbergaudio

    To Sub Or Not To Sub, That Is The Question

    On the bright side, if your claim is indeed truthful, it is very easy to prove, unlike those who claim night and day differences in cables, internet routers etc.

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