Introducing Olympus & Olympus I/O - A new perspective on modern music playback

[SwissTom]

And is there an option to not have an internal DAC? I don’t think my DAC can be surpassed, nor do I want to replace it, so it would be great if there is a less expensive version of the Olympus with a digital (USB) output.

Hi Zeotrope

I wouldn’t be so certain, you might be surprised.

I believe it’s worth staying open to the possibility of unexpected outcomes.

I also own a DAC that’s quite well-regarded. Like yours, it’s Swiss, but from the German-speaking part of Switzerland

Although I bought it new, at a considerable price, I wouldn’t hesitate for a second to say it’s not as good as the small DAC in the Olympus. Or, to be more precise, not as good as the Olympus+XDMI+DAC combination.

In the end, what truly matters is music and the joy it brings us.


Cheers,

Thomas

 

[marty]

In the end, what truly matters is music and the joy it brings us.

+1 Definite bumper sticker slogan material

 

[nenon]

Can someone summarize pricing and if there is a trade discount for the Extreme? I saw this mentioned at the start of this thread but don’t want to read through 180 pages.
Thank you.

Taiko Audio Olympus Server XDMI: €67K
(Includes XDMI analog output (RCA), USB Output, 3.84TB storage, and a flightcase)

You get full trade-in value for your Extreme. Send me your Extreme serial number in a private message and whether you have the Taiko NIC and Taiko USB card, and I will reply with the exact trade-in amount you get (between €20K and €28K).

If you decide to add the Olympus I/O to your Olympus server, that is another €22K.

Currently, the Olympus is only offered with XDMI included. Contact Taiko directly to see of they are willing to build one for you without XDMI, but you may regret that. So far, the built-in DAC (XDMI analog output) seems to easily outperform some of the best DACs on the market.

I believe the Taiko Olympus XDMI becomes a much sweeter deal if it outperforms a high-end DAC you have - sell the DAC, sell the USB cable, sell the power cord, you need one less power outlet, one less shelf, you significantly simplify your system, PLUS it sounds better, and you may end up with some cash in your pocket at the end.

Of course there is no guarantee it will outperform your DAC. But as more Olympus servers are being sent out, there will be more and more feedback on how it stacks to various other DACs. It will be extremely interesting to collect that feedback.

Last but not least, be aware of the lead time if you decide to place an order.

 

[nenon]

Another O and I/O installed. It took me about 1.5 hours from the driveway to playing music. Solo install

I am running the Analog out into a Kondo G1000 pre/Kondo Kagura amps/Alsyvox Caravaggio XX.

With the system and the O and I/O dead cold, the sound far surpasses what the Extreme sounded like, which sounded REALLY good. Especially the textures in the midrange and the harmonics off all of the instrument, especially strings.

The density of all images (voices/instruments) is uncanny.

Will report after a week of burning in, but I would be happy with what I am hearing now.

EDIT- After a few hours the soundstage is so big it's hard to comprehend. My speakers are 8 ft out into the room. The soundstage comes out in front of the speakers about three feet (depending on recordings) and then goes way back beyond the back wall. Layering all over the soundstage. La la land....
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Glad to see you got your Olympus + I/O, Bob! Enjoy.
Olympus + Kondo + Caravaggio!!! OMG that must sound amazing!!!!

 

[jbrrp1]

Another O and I/O installed. It took me about 1.5 hours from the driveway to playing music. Solo install

I am running the Analog out into a Kondo G1000 pre/Kondo Kagura amps/Alsyvox Caravaggio XX.

With the system and the O and I/O dead cold, the sound far surpasses what the Extreme sounded like, which sounded REALLY good. Especially the textures in the midrange and the harmonics off all of the instrument, especially strings.

The density of all images (voices/instruments) is uncanny.

Will report after a week of burning in, but I would be happy with what I am hearing now.

EDIT- After a few hours the soundstage is so big it's hard to comprehend. My speakers are 8 ft out into the room. The soundstage comes out in front of the speakers about three feet (depending on recordings) and then goes way back beyond the back wall. Layering all over the soundstage. La la land....
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Very cool, Bob! So, I bet you've got some world class vinyl capability, too. How does the soundstage from it compare?

 

[Rhapsody]

Very cool, Bob! So, I bet you've got some world class vinyl capability, too. How does the soundstage from it compare?

It's too early to tell. My gut feeling after 8 hours of initial listening is that vinyl is still vinyl, which I did not compare at all last night and had no desire to put on a record to compare. The Olympus and I/O are similar to tape vs vinyl, which is different, although both great. So I think you will have tape, vinyl and the O -I/O sound which depending on recordings played one might prefer one of the three option over the other. But I predict that the O and I/O stand up to vinyl and tape, just different.

I would say that the soundstage is larger than the vinyl soundstage, by a pretty significant margin. Depending on recordings if you close your eyes the width of the soundstage goes about 10' beyond the side walls. As I said earlier the soundstage front to back comes out in front of the speakers and goes way beyond the rear wall. The overall effect is room consuming.

A few notes from the eight straight hours of listening last night-

- Too early to make any concrete statements and things need to settle in.

- Unfortunately I just added $100K worth of Shunyata power devices (Everests, Typhon 30s, Grounding (signal and chassis) to the systems so my comments cannot be taken as valid comparisons of what the O and I/O sound like over what the Extreme sounded like. In my scenario it's what the O and I/O and new Shunyata gear sounds like.

Once you make more than one change at the same time you have no idea what a particular item is doing, it's what your new entire sonic recipe is doing.

- There is SO MUCH information on the soundstage it's mind boggling. It will take some time to acclimate.

- I think that some O users will have to adjust certain other items in their system after the O is installed. The vast amount of noise that has been reduced in the system was covering up certain harsh sounding recordings. You now can hear the deficiencies in some recordings. Not sure about this yet until I have a few weeks of time, then will revisit.

The O is not going to make bad recordings sound euphonic or great. It's going to give more of a view of the recording itself. Great recordings will sound GREAT. Good recordings will sound GREAT. Bad recordings will be very noticeable and not sugar coated to make them sound good.

On many recordings you can tell how close a singer is to the mic. I've never encountered being able to hear and visualize the interactions with a singer and the mic as much as I did listening last night.

Will give periodic updates as I notice changes.

 

[wil]

Can someone summarize pricing and if there is a trade discount for the Extreme? I saw this mentioned at the start of this thread but don’t want to read through 180 pages.
Thank you.

And is there an option to not have an internal DAC? I don’t think my DAC can be surpassed, nor do I want to replace it, so it would be great if there is a less expensive version of the Olympus with a digital (USB) output.

The comparison between my Aries Cerat Ithaca dac via usb and Olympus analog/ Xdmi has been interesting and perplexing at times. I think I’ve got the gear and my brain adequately burned in by now and my conclusion is I like analog out/Xdmi best.

Each option has a distinct sound difference which is easily recognizable and repeatable on all recordings. Ithaca/usb is more incisive, textured and with the (illusion?) of being quicker on the transients. The analog out/Xdmi is more mid bass centric with a smoother, full bodied sound.

They are both great sounding options!

I may try a more incisive tube on my amps (AC Essentias) to see if that splits the difference.

Ultimately, I’ll wait for Stravos and Emile to work out the AC/ Xdmi interface which I’m pretty confident will end up being the best by a significant margin.

 

[Steve Williams]

On many recordings you can tell how close a singer is to the mic. I've never encountered being able to hear and visualize the interactions with a singer and the mic as much as I did listening last night.

That was my impression as well . The sound stage is so large but yet the imaging is so precise that many times I thought I could see the singers vocal cords. I have hardly played vinyl since receiving the O/IO

Im playing things now in my music library and to me every file just draws me in as I cannot believe this is the same system I have played for years. To my ears everything has been enjoyable to listen to

 

[Steve Williams]

The comparison between my Aries Cerat Ithaca dac via usb and Olympus analog/ Xdmi has been interesting and perplexing at times. I think I’ve got the gear and my brain adequately burned in by now and my conclusion is I like analog out/Xdmi best.

Each option has a distinct sound difference which is easily recognizable and repeatable on all recordings. Ithaca/usb is more incisive, textured and with the (illusion?) of being quicker on the transients. The analog out/Xdmi is more mid bass centric with a smoother, full bodied sound.

They are both great sounding options!

I may try a more incisive tube on my amps (AC Essentias) to see if that splits the difference.

Ultimately, I’ll wait for Stravos and Emile to work out the AC/ Xdmi interface which I’m pretty confident will end up being the best by a significant margin.

Im sure Stavros and Emile's great minds will figure it out. For me I only listen via XDMI native to the Horizon and there is no way I can ever go back to USB

 

[Steve Williams]

For horizon and Olympus users

 

[MarkusBarkus]

...I don't have a Horizon, but this is a very fine, very helpful video.

 

[Rhapsody]

I just did a comparison with the O and I/O vs the Extreme/Esoteric DAC. The Extreme sounds really great, when you switch to the Olympus I/0 w/analog out, with the same track you say YES, it's probably 300% better, which when I heard the 300% estimate initially it seemed a bit far-fetched to me personally.

I don't think it's a % difference between the Extreme and the O and I/0 it's a totally different listening experience.

 

[an.vamv]

The comparison between my Aries Cerat Ithaca dac via usb and Olympus analog/ Xdmi has been interesting and perplexing at times. I think I’ve got the gear and my brain adequately burned in by now and my conclusion is I like analog out/Xdmi best.

Each option has a distinct sound difference which is easily recognizable and repeatable on all recordings. Ithaca/usb is more incisive, textured and with the (illusion?) of being quicker on the transients. The analog out/Xdmi is more mid bass centric with a smoother, full bodied sound.

They are both great sounding options!

I may try a more incisive tube on my amps (AC Essentias) to see if that splits the difference.

Ultimately, I’ll wait for Stravos and Emile to work out the AC/ Xdmi interface which I’m pretty confident will end up being the best by a significant margin.

Hi Wil, is it possible to try the Digital out/XDMI to digital in(SPDIF/AES) of Ithaka?

 

[Zeotrope]

Very cool, Bob! So, I bet you've got some world class vinyl capability, too. How does the soundstage from it compare?

You didn't ask me but thought I would jump in since I have tried to assemble some of the best playback sources for medium, in the quest of finding "the best":
• Extreme / Switch / Router / XDMS / Nagra HD DAC X
• Nagra Reference TT / HD Phono
• Metaxas Papillon / Hachidori preamp [2025]

It's really best not to compare directly and just recognize that each medium has its advantages. I don't think the Olympus will change this conclusion.

 

[Rhapsody]

After 48 hours the O and I/0 are providing noticeable improvements in every possible way. oh-la-la!

Actually listening to the system today makes me feel like it wasn't even close two days ago and it sounded great to me two days ago.

 

[jbrrp1]

You didn't ask me but thought I would jump in since I have tried to assemble some of the best playback sources for medium, in the quest of finding "the best":
• Extreme / Switch / Router / XDMS / Nagra HD DAC X
• Nagra Reference TT / HD Phono
• Metaxas Papillon / Hachidori preamp [2025]

It's really best not to compare directly and just recognize that each medium has its advantages. I don't think the Olympus will change this conclusion.

This advice sounds akin to the adage that the way to enjoy your digital is to not listen to analog. My Extreme/Horizon combo sounds very satisfying, indeed. But my vinyl does consistently prove more engaging to me on comparable source material. And we are audiophiles; comparing SQ between components and sources is how we elevate SQ overall, IME. My question to Bob is simply an attempt to gauge what "Wow!" means.

 

[Rhapsody]

My vinyl has always been more engaging, although I also enjoyed listening to the Extreme for all of the obvious reasons, including good Sound quality. But after hearing what I heard today from the Olympus, I’m not so sure that it is not gonna be just as involving, albeit possibly in a different way than vinyl. So now I’m just going to wait for a week or two and see where it goes..

Today when I was listening for a while, I was thinking is this as good as my vinyl? I’m not sure but it’s definitely not an obvious no.

 

[Steve Williams]

Today when I was listening for a while, I was thinking is this as good as my vinyl? I’m not sure but it’s definitely not an obvious no.

I have had my O/IO now for about 4-5 weeks and every day for me is a new and breath taking experience. You're right , it's not vinyl but for me who is using the digital board out to my Horizon 360 with XDMI, this sure as hell ain't digital either. Everything I listen to in my library has me craving for more. Im so. gobsmacked by my daily listening sessions that TBH I haven't listened to my vinyl side in that time. For my ears it's really that good.

Am I the only one who is using the digital card as Im not hearing anyone else discussing the digital card. I think Wil has the digital card but via AES/EBU which does not play Native if DSD is the source . XDMI into the Horizon is native which is the way I have always preferred to listen to the digital side of my system. So it isn't vinyl but it is digital in a way via XDMI that is so different to anything I have ever heard. Am I saying it's as good as vinyl....probably not but I am saying it is so darn good that I have not had a desire to play vinyl. The last time I did was when Christoph (tsaett) was here as the travelling Taiko amabassador and the night before he left we compared XDMI to vinyl ( and as Mike Lavigne rightly pointed out that the album to which we listened was digitally remastered) with and without a great power cord the difference for both of us was damn close.

Im still optimistic that Emile will find his way to my open house Nov 2-3 and we can do this test again for all to hear

 

[wil]

I have had my O/IO now for about 4-5 weeks and every day for me is a new and breath taking experience. You're right , it's not vinyl but for me who is using the digital board out to my Horizon 360 with XDMI, this sure as hell ain't digital either. Everything I listen to in my library has me craving for more. Im so. gobsmacked by my daily listening sessions that TBH I haven't listened to my vinyl side in that time. For my ears it's really that good.

Am I the only one who is using the digital card as Im not hearing anyone else discussing the digital card. I think Wil has the digital card but via AES/EBU

I don’t have AES/EBU on my Olympus. I’m waiting to hear native Xdmi with Aries Cerat.

As I think about it, I don’t even know what the interface between Oly and Aries dac will actually be? All I have is USB and RCA (analog) outputs.

Edit: I remember now, the AES/Ebu was sent. It’s just not installed, which is why I forgot about it!

 

[Steve Williams]

so am I the only one using the digital XDMI card?