Can You Believe This-The Government Wants Us To Go EV but In So Doing They Will impose a gas surcharge

[BlueFox]

I read someplace that around 2025 computers will become self aware, and surpass humans. Looks like it is on track.

 

[Empirical Audio]

The issue is not self-awareness so much as the instinct to survive. This is what will threaten humans eventually. There should be a global ban on this desire in AI.

 

[Folsom]

The video explains they just crossed the threshoid where a conventional computer can't keep up any more, later iterations will get progressively faster and enable us to simulate the climate and any attempts to alter it. This tech could enable such technology without just wishing and hoping things will work.

It's only as smart as the programmer. I suspect they'll call in "infallible" for political reason, constantly. It's going to be annoying as hell.

 

[NorthStar]

And the programmers get their data from proven scientific facts that keep track in instatenuous time.

 

[Folsom]

LOL

 

[NorthStar]

AI is here to stay ... 5G, Self-Driving EV, Climate calculation, condition and adjustment, medication, food, water, toxic levels, air deterioration, pipelines, safety, balance, ...all.

 

[Steve Williams]

Here’s an interesting caveat. I’m waiting at the airport in Newark to go back to Socal as we spent 5 days here in NYC In the entire 5 days I saw only 4 Tesla’s and no other EV’s

 

[DaveC]

Here’s an interesting caveat. I’m waiting at the airport in Newark to go back to Socal as we spent 5 days here in NYC In the entire 5 days I saw only 4 Tesla’s and no other EV’s

Wow, I see a dozen Teslas on my 15 min drive to Boulder! They are slowly becoming about as prevalent as high end AWD German luxury cars around here.

 

[Steve Williams]

I was amazed that there were virtually none other than the 4 I saw in NYC and NJ

 

[Folsom]

Here’s an interesting caveat. I’m waiting at the airport in Newark to go back to Socal as we spent 5 days here in NYC In the entire 5 days I saw only 4 Tesla’s and no other EV’s

With the premium for parking, I can't imagine it's convenient if you need to charge every time you park, too.

 

[Empirical Audio]

It's only as smart as the programmer.

Not true. AI changes that. It can learn. Teslas learn.

 

[Folsom]

It learns based on parameters put into it. AI is a misnomer. Nothing is remotely near sentient. It gets used to describe everything because it sounds impressive and venture capitalist are using dump trucks to unload money on top of it.

 

[Empirical Audio]

It learns based on parameters put into it. AI is a misnomer. Nothing is remotely near sentient. It gets used to describe everything because it sounds impressive and venture capitalist are using dump trucks to unload money on top of it.

No, it learns based on experience when the driver is driving. It learns about other vehicles and pedestrians, bicycles etc.. It learns about pull-out behavior from parallel parked vehicles. It learns about where most drivers drive in the lane on a particular stretch of road and how fast they make a particular turn.

My own Tesla had never experienced a motorcycle driving up between cars in lanes until I drove to San Diego. Now it understands this and behaves accordingly.

 

[Folsom]

I don't think quantum google computers fit into cars.

 

[BlueFox]

Short sighted people amaze me. Just because something isn’t possible this year does not mean it is impossible, and can’t be done. As I posted earlier, ‘inventor and futurist Ray Kurzweil’ feels sentience will be achieved in 2045. Whether it happens a bit sooner, or later, does not mean it will not occur.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Singularity_Is_Near

Note: I said earlier that 2025 was when this is predicted to occur, but it’s 2045. Sorry.

 

[NorthStar]

I don't think quantum google computers fit into cars.

Actually it does, and even more into EV.

 

[NorthStar]

Two good (very short) recent articles ...
• Yesterday: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/366/6464/422

• Two days ago: https://www.resourcesmag.org/common-resources/are-we-approaching-range-serenity-electric-vehicles/

 

[the sound of Tao]

Science fiction as a forecast of science fact is well established. Do the potential risks of AI make it’s current development and release upon civilisation beyond any minimum level of sufficient precaution. How many science fiction stories foretell the epic stupidity of releasing something potentially more powerful than yourself that would then view you as opposition and something that you potentially then have no measures to sufficiently control. How could we ensure that we could then survive it till the point of its evolution wherein it’s sentience develops beyond reason and into compassion.

Sentient machines, viruses, all manner of toxic and destructive elements capable well beyond a planet killer capacity should not be released unless we have a foolproof safeguard for the ongoingness of the planet and civilisation.

Even traditional mythology gives us plenty of scenarios where the battle between wisdom versus shortsighted desire creates opportunities for unseen tipping points or transformational moments and potential points of extinction. Prometheus and the release of fire, Pandora and that little harmless box, Icarus and those softly melting wings, we are but children in the game of truly wise creation.

I’d question any opening of a Pandora’s box at this critical point in our development. Today’s solution could just as easily be tomorrow’s retribution. How long do you think it would seriously take for an AI to develop a simple hack for Asimov’s three laws for robots. In mythology the one crime that the gods never forgave is the one of human hubris and when we act well beyond the mortal boundaries of all that we can truly know and therefore wisely manage. Maybe AI is just another element in Fermi’s paradox. Me, I’d be avoiding that sucker like the plague.

 

[Empirical Audio]

Science fiction as a forecast of science fact is well established. Do the potential risks of AI make it’s current development and release upon civilisation beyond any minimum level of sufficient precaution. How many science fiction stories foretell the epic stupidity of releasing something potentially more powerful than yourself that would then view you as opposition and something that you potentially then have no measures to sufficiently control. How could we ensure that we could then survive it till the point of its evolution wherein it’s sentience develops beyond reason and into compassion.

Sentient machines, viruses, all manner of toxic and destructive elements capable well beyond a planet killer capacity should not be released unless we have a foolproof safeguard for the ongoingness of the planet and civilisation.

Even traditional mythology gives us plenty of scenarios where the battle between wisdom versus shortsighted desire creates opportunities for unseen tipping points or transformational moments and potential points of extinction. Prometheus and the release of fire, Pandora and that little harmless box, Icarus and those softly melting wings, we are but children in the game of truly wise creation.

I’d question any opening of a Pandora’s box at this critical point in our development. Today’s solution could just as easily be tomorrow’s retribution. How long do you think it would seriously take for an AI to develop a simple hack for Asimov’s three laws for robots. In mythology the one crime that the gods never forgave is the one of human hubris and when we act well beyond the mortal boundaries of all that we can truly know and therefore wisely manage. Maybe AI is just another element in Fermi’s paradox. Me, I’d be avoiding that sucker like the plague.

Humans are just idiots. Facebook was a good thing, until... Just look at what Facebook has done to this planet. Enabled multiple countries to degrade from democracies to dictatorships, including the Philippines, Poland, Hungary, Venezuela and even now Brazil. Enabled white supremists to have a platform to spread their hate. Enabled hate speech and propaganda. Enabled fake information about Climate Change. We are doomed, face it.

It's like the atomic bomb. Most involved with it, with the exception of Edward Teller, ultimately regretted their involvement. At least that is controlled by smarter people and has not gotten out of hand … yet anyway.

 

[DaveC]

Without AI our hopes of survival are far less, and the impacts we will feel from climate change will be far larger... we need the tech it can develop.

Part of the issue we have as humans is limited intellect and wisdom, we need tools that allow us to overcome some of our inbred limitations.

IMO, if AI is smarter than us it will hopefully bypass our clinging to ego and wishing for only our own good. This is the cause of all of our problems, I'm not sure a machine based consciousness would develop the same way.

Generally, when we act out of fear we cause things to happen we don't like, it closes off all sorts of possibilities. When we act out of the wish to benefit others we realize outcomes we consider favorable. We can't simply avoid AI because we fear it, that's a guaranteed bad time. If we use AI to benefit the world it's might actually do so.