I said I would never buy another Turntable...Argh !!!
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I'm not familliar with your Forsell so I can't comment, air bearing and air floaters come in different flavors. Micros and AF tts use air only for vertical lift with a have a spindle as part of their bearing system. AS's platter has no spindle or physical connection with plinth but in both cases I don't see the air coupling anything, if anything it's decoupling the two sections. Not sure why you'd want to drain energy specially in high mass designs that effectively using inertia and centrifugal energy to their advantage. Idlers sound the way they do because of the rotational energy provided directly from their motor, take that energy away and the sound dies. The entire vinyl chain is resonance and energy based, both mechanical and electrical, you know what happens when you drain that energy with a heavy mat! I'm more about managing resonance and energy than draining and dampening and killing it...but it all depends on many other variables.
david
It was a special and educational experience having David here for the past 4 days optimizing the AS2000 along with the associated tonearms and carts. I am using two NOS SME 3012R's from the early 1970's (knife edge bearing)and a Graham Supreme 12". The Graham has a mono Lyra Olympos SL attached and uses the Allnic phonostage. One 3012 is set up for koetsu and Dynavector XV-1t (sounds amazing on a 3012), the other 3012R, SPU's (Mono amd Stereo) running into the Lamm. I have never heard such glorious sound from vinyl. Here is a nice picture David took today with a medium format camera. Thanks again David !!!
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David,
could not agree more that relationships are what makes this hobby the special thing it can be. I love the get-togethers. it makes our lives better. it's a gift we give each other. and it's awesome that you have fully delivered on a very demanding promise too. my hat is off to you. you nailed it. and i'm happy for Christian.
beautiful picture of a special turntable. I feel so fortunate to be part of this and that my turn will come soon. can't wait to enjoy the American Sound tt in my room and learn from you.
Mike
I have to say I’m no fan of the oil rig design tendency in tts, much preferring the aesthetic of slimmer designs.
This is such a great example of iron fist in a velvet glove, the sheer compactness/mass of this design is hard to top.
This is such a great example of iron fist in a velvet glove, the sheer compactness/mass of this design is hard to top.
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You guys are a bit insatiable. I can’t quite imagine running to more than one tt/arm/cart/phono etc, with all the emotion and sweat that goes into getting just one combination to sing.
And then there’s the expense.
Multiple copies of some albums? Maybe.
But multiple rigs? For me personally, no.
Tang, there is at least some chance the AS-2000 will render yr 927, Kronos Pro and AF1 superfluous. Could you see yourself just sticking with the AS as your only tt?
And then there’s the expense.
Multiple copies of some albums? Maybe.
But multiple rigs? For me personally, no.
Tang, there is at least some chance the AS-2000 will render yr 927, Kronos Pro and AF1 superfluous. Could you see yourself just sticking with the AS as your only tt?
David has the skills and ear to get all the combo's to sing. I am grateful...plus I picked up some of his secret sauce when it comes to dialing in carts/arms.
Tang, even if you progressively gravitate towards the AS more and more? Christian is suggesting his AF1 and CA MI are pretty exposed by his recent AS arrival.
It is incredibly impressive to me how well David pulled off all the complicated aspects (requirement of perfect machining and polishing precision; different vendors for metalwork/motor/controller/vacuum components; improved design from original; and the sheer gross weight of the pieces) of making this project a reality. I really cannot get over it!
David is instantly a turntable genius and the creator of one of the very best turntables ever made!
David is instantly a turntable genius and the creator of one of the very best turntables ever made!
A majority of the members of a panel of audiophiles each of whom has heard all of the world's top turntables may very well conclude that the AS-2000 is the very "best" they have ever heard.
Well, as you know, there’s no way to audition everything, so it’s a mute point. I know you were very sensitive to that review a couple of years back that declared the Kronos the world’s best despite no side by side coverage with other contenders.
I guess that Christian and Tang have the AF1, Kronos Pro and EMT between them, and Mike has the NVS, and they all have top tape machines, so we’ll get a reasonably reliable compare of AS2000 against all of these.
I guess that Christian and Tang have the AF1, Kronos Pro and EMT between them, and Mike has the NVS, and they all have top tape machines, so we’ll get a reasonably reliable compare of AS2000 against all of these.
@David, this is just absolutely stunning and a true work of art in every way. We're very fortunate you've given so much of your time and directed so much passion into this project given the long-lasting appreciation the lucky owners and others will be able to experience. Your commitment to the experience of music is radically refreshing (and although a quiet reader of the site, very fortunate to have had the opportunity to read your contributions here as well as enjoy the system you helped me assemble in my escape from hifi-itis). Happy holidays to everyone here.
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It is definitely more accurate and trustworthy to have different tts in your system at the same time to evaluate them. Nobody can recollect hearing memory as good as switching tts within seconds. And hearing them in other people's system means very little to me.
For one to determine or declare the best tt, he must has such great experience and done his time with many tts, arms, carts in his system. There is a long learning process to really understand the intrinsic sound of each tt, cart, arm. Since these three components have to be used together, you have to keep switching combos until you really know the true sound characters of each. Any of these component might have a short fall but is covered up by the strength of another component in the chain. If each component is new like mine it requires even much longer time. What I am saying is even you have four tables in your room, without doing a substantial time with each of them with different arms, carts, your words will just be a ballpark. David is the one who has those kind of experiences, done his time with so many tts, arms, carts, and has the credibility to claim what he hears is best tt. I am not trying to put him in the pedestal of the tt god or anything. But if you really are into tt you know what I am talking about about doing time.
Kind regards,
Tang
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