Using Power Conditioner to eliminate Noise carried over Ethernet

[AkiKhan]

Good day folks. Its become another rainy day here in OC California.

This topic concerns the possibility of using the inputs for ethernet on power conditioners such as the Powerplant Premiere as a solution to eliminate unwanted noise. If I understand correctly, this is what the EtherRegen does?

I am contemplating the inclusion of a device such as EtherRegen, but it is a significant investment for me at the present. I do have a earlier generation PS Audio Powerplant, which to my ears, positively enhances the sound of my system in terms of clarity and dynamics. I plug the Powerplant into an Emotiva CM X2 conditioner, which is a very effective solution for dc offset. a/b‘ing the difference with and without the X2, I hear significant improvement most especially in bass performance when using it.

Has anyone tried using the noise filter for ethernet on their conditioner? It really would be excellent if I could get out of splurging on the EtherRegen or similar solution if I can. But I am planning for it all the same.

Thanks for guidance.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

I have a TeraDak T-S212 that runs on 110v and convert to fiber using SFP and media converter. DC power for media converter is through an LPS to eliminate any DC noise. I have an English Electric EE1 on the dirty side of the T-S212 to help clean up the signal. Hope this helps and welcome to WBF.

 

[AkiKhan]

Thanks much for the welcome Republicoftexas69.

That’s a pretty remarkable setup.
Just briefly logged on to Kam Audio’s site for a glance at the Teradak T-S212. Affordable which is great. Looks well built too. Does this device convert ethernet to fibre optic? I see it has a re-clocker. And if I understand correctly you are using an aftermarket linear power supply to power the Teradak? I seethe EE1 is a Chord Company component and is a noise isolator. At $295 it is not too egregious .

so the chain would be; Modem - ethernet cable - router - ethernet cable - EE1 - ethernet cable - Teradak T-S212 - ethernet cable - Streamer - USB cable - DAC - Interconnects - integrated amp?

I am assuming the Teradak does the conversion from ethernet to fibre then back to ethernet inside the box? I can’t see a fibre optic Out / In port unless I am missing it?

Thanks

 

[jpwelcher]

Building on republicoftexas69 post, fiber optic cables do not carry electrical noise. A simple and cost effective way to reduce noise on an Ethernet cable is to use two fiber optic media converters back to back prior to your Dac or streamer. In this case the only electrical noise that will be introduced comes from the second media converter. This solution can easily cost less then $100 USD. As mentioned you can also use an Ethernet RF filter (see DX engineering). Be wary of any RF filter that does not specify frequency and DB attenuation.​

 

[Republicoftexas69]

Thanks much for the welcome Republicoftexas69.

That’s a pretty remarkable setup.
Just briefly logged on to Kam Audio’s site for a glance at the Teradak T-S212. Affordable which is great. Looks well built too. Does this device convert ethernet to fibre optic? I see it has a re-clocker. And if I understand correctly you are using an aftermarket linear power supply to power the Teradak? I seethe EE1 is a Chord Company component and is a noise isolator. At $295 it is not too egregious .

so the chain would be; Modem - ethernet cable - router - ethernet cable - EE1 - ethernet cable - Teradak T-S212 - ethernet cable - Streamer - USB cable - DAC - Interconnects - integrated amp?

I am assuming the Teradak does the conversion from ethernet to fibre then back to ethernet inside the box? I can’t see a fibre optic Out / In port unless I am missing it?

Thanks

No the T-S212 is AC115v so no LPS needed for the 212, just for the Dedia Converter. Lots of threads here on this subject. https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/fiber-vs-ethernet-sonic-differences.35196/

 

[J007B]

Welcome to WBF. I am also in the OC. Like others have said the biggest bang for buck is converting to fiber optic between router and system. This creates a noise firewall. Even though my router is only 6 feet from my Lumin U1 streamer it was a huge improvement for less than a couple of hundred bucks. All available on Amazon.

 

[treitz3]

Hello and please allow me to offer you a very warm welcome to the WBF. There are two advantages to using the ER.

The first is the ADIM (which is essentially a moat) that eliminates much of the signal born phase noise. The second is that you can use this device to hook up to a 10MHz clock to further improve the signal.

I could very well be wrong here but I do seem to recall that the Ethernet cable has no filtering, only surge protection on devices like that. If this is the case, then you are just adding extra connections and actually degrading the signal. FWIW.

Tom

 

[sbnx]

Three solution to eithernet noise

Three’s A Charm… - Gy8

Getting serious about network hygiene

gy8.eu

 

[Kingrex]

Good day folks. Its become another rainy day here in OC California.

This topic concerns the possibility of using the inputs for ethernet on power conditioners such as the Powerplant Premiere as a solution to eliminate unwanted noise. If I understand correctly, this is what the EtherRegen does?

I am contemplating the inclusion of a device such as EtherRegen, but it is a significant investment for me at the present. I do have a earlier generation PS Audio Powerplant, which to my ears, positively enhances the sound of my system in terms of clarity and dynamics. I plug the Powerplant into an Emotiva CM X2 conditioner, which is a very effective solution for dc offset. a/b‘ing the difference with and without the X2, I hear significant improvement most especially in bass performance when using it.

Has anyone tried using the noise filter for ethernet on their conditioner? It really would be excellent if I could get out of splurging on the EtherRegen or similar solution if I can. But I am planning for it all the same.

Thanks for guidance.

What are you trying to do? Put a power filter on your modem?

 

[AkiKhan]

Tom, thanks much for your warm welcome. Good of you indeed. Okay, in referring to redundant connections, that does make sense. Unnecessary / additional wires in the signal path are something I should avoid, so I will put aside the idea of routing ethernet cable in and out of the conditioner, as it will probably not improve sound. Yes the EtherRegen is super compelling and makes a lot of sense. MOAT / ADIM makes a lot of sense to me. So does the idea of a fibre optical bridge that RepublicofTexas talked about. I am firmly convinced the raw ethernet connection is, in my case anyway, far from ideal. For starters, I am currently using Eero mesh, because the Spectrum modem and Nighthawk router are located at a significant distance away in the master bedroom. I will correct that and schedule Spectrum to come out and move the modem itself close by the A/system. I can plug ethernet directly into the router then, and consider the advanced options based on my budget. But I am committed to getting this done ASAP.

 

[Tuckers]

Since you mention cost constraints, you should consider a LAN isolator. Ifi makes on that you can get on Amazon for less than $100 (and return if you don't think its worth it in your system). If you hear an improvement with this, then you know there are more things you can do to improve your streaming including the power conditioner.

My post about the ifi LAN Silencer.

 

[AkiKhan]

SBNX l, thanks for the link. Roy Gregory is always a brilliant read. And I think of those three options I would start with the first.

 

[AkiKhan]

Hi Kingrex, on the back of my powerplant re-generator / conditioner are ethernet ports (in and out). I was initially considering pulling the conditioner out and rewiring ethernet to go through the filtering of the Powerplant.

 

[AkiKhan]

Thanks for the advice Tucker. I will check out your post on ifi LAN Silencer

 

[Republicoftexas69]

Hello and please allow me to offer you a very warm welcome to the WBF. There are two advantages to using the ER.

The first is the ADIM (which is essentially a moat) that eliminates much of the signal born phase noise. The second is that you can use this device to hook up to a 10MHz clock to further improve the signal.

I could very well be wrong here but I do seem to recall that the Ethernet cable has no filtering, only surge protection on devices like that. If this is the case, then you are just adding extra connections and actually degrading the signal. FWIW.

To

Three solution to eithernet noise

Three’s A Charm… - Gy8

Getting serious about network hygiene

gy8.eu

I have the EE1 in front (dirty side) of my T-S212 works well.

 

[Republicoftexas69]

Hi Kingrex, on the back of my powerplant re-generator / conditioner are ethernet ports (in and out). I was initially considering pulling the conditioner out and rewiring ethernet to go through the filtering of the Powerplant.

Be careful.

 

[treitz3]

Three solution to eithernet noise

Three’s A Charm… - Gy8

Getting serious about network hygiene

gy8.eu

Hmmmm, I wonder how that CAD stacks up to the Muon Pro...

Tom

 

[AkiKhan]

JPWelcher, thanks. Okay I think i understand the chain. Immediately following the ethernet filter, an ethernet cable feeds into a Eth to FO converter, which carries the signal via FO out to a FO to Eth converter where the ethernet cable out feeds the streamer?

 

[jpwelcher]

AkiKhan, In my system I have the Ethernet filter after the second fiber optic converter and just before the the streamer

 

[Republicoftexas69]

AkiKhan, here is my Digital Front End. This is for reference and mind you it cover my house going west to east.