New Think Piece From Roy Gregory

[Elliot G.]

Sound Of/Or Music… - Gy8

You don’t always get what you want!

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[tima]

Thanks Elliot. A bit over-wrought but an interesting read.

 

[Solypsa]

" I'm all lost in the supermarket
I can no longer shop happily
I came in here for that special offer
A guaranteed personality "

 

[Lagonda]

Good piece of writing !

 

[Ron Resnick]

Roy’s basic point is a very valid one, if not a novel one. WBF has innumerable threads discussing whether we are here for the music or for the equipment or for some combination thereof. I agree with his point that we should be honest with ourselves, and with each other. I’ve always felt that we should not be embarrassed to admit that we enjoy researching and auditioning and purchasing and installing and fine-tuning and operating and maintaining the components.

I think the essay would’ve been a cleaner — and shorter — read if he had not combined the review methodology discussion with the main music versus equipment point.

 

[Elliot G.]

Roy’s basic point is a valid one, if not remotely a novel one. WBF has innumerable threads discussing whether we are here for the music or for the equipment or for some combination thereof. I agree with his point that we should be honest with ourselves, and with each other. I’ve always felt that we should not be embarrassed to admit that we enjoy researching and auditioning and purchasing and installing and fine-tuning and operating and maintaining the components.

I think the essay would’ve been a cleaner — and shorter — read if he had not combined the review methodology discussion with the main music versus equipment point.

I believe that recently I have seen a rise of the internet/youtube equipment grinders with little or no reference to the music. I believe this is a growing area and one that troubles me. For people to review gear as only thier opinion in comparisons to other gear with no musical context makes little sense to me.

 

[Ron Resnick]

I believe that recently I have seen a rise of the internet/youtube equipment grinders with little or no reference to the music. I believe this is a growing area and one that troubles me. For people to review gear as only thier opinion in comparisons to other gear with no musical context makes little sense to me.

How do the people to whom you refer describe sonic differences between components if there is no reference to music?

 

[Elliot G.]

How do the people to whom you refer describe sonic differences between components if there is no reference to music?

They dont and that is the point. I dont get what they are doing and yet people will watch and follow.

 

[Lagonda]

They dont and that is the point. I dont get what they are doing and yet people will watch and follow.

Yes all you have to do to become a influencer, is be able to lift a new amp into your listening garage every week !

 

[microstrip]

Thanks Elliot. A bit over-wrought but an interesting read.

A bit? You are being generous! In fact, after we filter the usual divagations - nice to read Rolex versus Swatch in place of the typical Rolex versus Casio - there is less real content than in our own threads in WBF about the main subject.

 

[microstrip]

I believe that recently I have seen a rise of the internet/youtube equipment grinders with little or no reference to the music. I believe this is a growing area and one that troubles me. For people to review gear as only thier opinion in comparisons to other gear with no musical context makes little sense to me.

Yes, these poor pseudo reviews in the internet are disgusting. But we should remember that we still have a good number of excellent reviews with plenty of music context going around. Some people will object that they are not free and we have to pay to read them, but we IMHO can't expect professionalism and quality at zero cost.

The high-end is an industry and a business around an hobby, not volunteering.

 

[caesar]

I believe that recently I have seen a rise of the internet/youtube equipment grinders with little or no reference to the music. I believe this is a growing area and one that troubles me. For people to review gear as only thier opinion in comparisons to other gear with no musical context makes little sense to me.

A couple of points: (A) some the guys with youtube channels are popular because many of the current group of guys presenting themselves experts are disgusting scumbags, propagandists, misinformation artists, and liars by omission and by commission. (No berkeley reference dac was not, until recently, the greatest dac extant, magico is not the champ of the world, and wilson is not a time machine).

(B) As Roy said, many guys in this hobby are in it for the sound, not music (This is exactly why hifi brands like Wilson are so popular)

 

[caesar]

Nothing personal against Roy, but it's interesting he is criticing other review style when his work is so worthless. When he reviews a box speaker, like wilson, just substiture the brand wilson and instead put in Magico or another brand, and it all applies.

When he's talking about CH Precision, replace that brand with Soulution, Dartzeel, Consoulation, or anything else, and no one will know the difference.

And by not comparing gear and drawing sharp distinctions to differentiate products, he is just rambling for the audiophile masturbationalists, who uncritically accept everything. And he is just as much of the problem as the other guys he is picking on.

Great opportunity for Roy to correct course, start comparing gear, and become an elite, independent voice.

Will he take it?!?

 

[Ron Resnick]

Nothing personal against Roy, but it's interesting he is criticing other review style when his work is so worthless. When he reviews a box speaker, like wilson, just substiture the brand wilson and instead put in Magico or another brand, and it all applies.

When he's talking about CH Precision, replace that brand with Soulution, Dartzeel, Consoulation, or anything else, and no one will know the difference.

And by not comparing gear and drawing sharp distinctions to differentiate products, he is just rambling for the audiophile masturbationalists, who uncritically accept everything. And he is just as much of the problem as the other guys he is picking on.

How can you pretend these comments aren’t “personal”?

I think these comments are obnoxious and unfair.

 

[caesar]

How can you pretend these comments aren’t “personal”?

I think these comments are obnoxious and unfair.

Read his rambling about subwoofers in one of his reviews - applies to anything with a subwoofer

 

[caesar]

How can you pretend these comments aren’t “personal”?

I think these comments are obnoxious and unfair.

Just trying to motivate Roy to be better than the disgusting guys who have ruined this great hobby.

 

[Elliot G.]

How can you pretend these comments aren’t “personal”?

I think these comments are obnoxious and unfair.

its just Caesar being Caesar.

 

[Steve Williams]

Just trying to motivate Roy to be better than the disgusting guys who have ruined this great hobby.

its just Caesar being Caesar.

Does one of these names start with "C"

 

[caesar]

its just Caesar being Caesar.

Hey Elliott.,
How's Roy helping you sell those Goebels? Effective, you think?

 

[caesar]

Hey Elliott.,
How's Roy helping you sell those Goebels? Effective, you think?

I'd bet Wilson more in a week than you sold all year. That's great writing and great championing of a brand!