I have to agree with this post as this is the very premise with which I continue to have a problem. This is not a matter of subjectivists vs objectivists so please let us not lose sight of what the real issue is and why we continue to look for bandaids to repair something which cannot be repaired as long as this status quo exists. Gregg hit the nail on the head. Jack has alluded to the fact that an owner administrator should act like a host and remain neutral on topics. The fact remains that this forum has found itself in similar circumstances on several occasions since June of last year when the PeterB meltdown occurred. If one is to search the history of these troubled threads one will quickly determine that there is a common denominator (one person) that seems always to be the match that sparks the fire and it all boils down to what Gregg said. The admin team has been so overwhelmed with complaints and reported posts that frankly we were always seeming to be putting out the same fire in which Amir seems to reside. This has proved beyond difficult due to the double standard re our TOS. The mods have been told in no uncertain terms to stay out of things so we have been walking on egg shells
Frankly I see the formation of this forum as well as trying to decide on a color for it to be merely a bandaid and far from a fix. This all boils down to the direction of management so please everyone this is not a subjectivist vs objectivist thing. A you can already see even the subjectivists are opposed to the idea and no one can decide on a color. For me this is an issue of management and how all the reported posts are handled. When the majority of them have a common source upon which we cannot act, then this becomes the bone of contention.
There is a strong mandate here in a poll that members feels everyone should be subject equally to the TOS. This has nothing to do with picking things from years ago to make a point. Rather it is the feeling that there is a double standard here. IMO this new forum solves nothing but create more chaos. Further the same thread has also given strong support for an orderly split in the forum. Everyone in support of the split feel it necessary to extricate oneself from such a double standard. As I read these threads that is the message that I am getting
we need you to sort this out steve, you have made a great site here. the creation of the subjective area is a joke, its naive in the extreme to think that guys who may not like amir(not me) will happily go off to a little area made for them by him!! its nuts! its a bit of a worry that to some this seems like a good idea.
i dont have a problem with the objectives, a few are a bit dogmatic but most of them i really like and enjoy their input. its obvious a few of them think we are mental but that's ok with me, they might be right. who cares?
your right, the whole objectivist vs subjectivist is a smoke screen. Tom outlined a great vision for the direction of this place, i cant see any of you (managment) disagreeing with the broad strokes of his stated direction.
i want to be questioned, i dont mind guys like keith taking the mick, its light hearted.. it can be funny even if its at my expense. its the nasty, personal stuff that is not right. nothing wrong with posting data but shutting guys down is wrong. the distinctions are clear, are they not?
you right that if amir weighs in on a thread as he is the forum co founder it carries more weight and if you're on the wrong end of his post then that's kind of hard for the average member, i am sure he realises this. the same goes for Tom and Lee, even if they dont post in green they carry a extra weight and have to conduct themselves accordingly. imo Lee is exemplary in this regard. that said amir is also right when he says all you guys need to be out here posting and leading by example building relations. the membership/forum needs all of you active driving this place in a coherent direction, its important! what ever needs to happen behind the scenes to make this a reality, needs to happen sooner rather than later.
please steve, no more segregation.. it wont work, it never does.