Please reread my post mike had the kharma " original " exquisite classic with thiel accuton midrange and Focal audiom titanium inverted dome tw.( if im not mistaken)
Probably the breakthrough for kharma as a brand
Lamm ML3 + LL1, at last!
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Please reread my post mike had the kharma " original " exquisite classic with thiel accuton midrange and Focal audiom titanium inverted dome tw.( if im not mistaken)
Probably the breakthrough for kharma as a brand
How can the Kharma Exquisite Midi Grand, a 4-Ohm speaker of 91 dB efficiency, be driven by 32 W/ch Lamm ML3s? Or am I missing something here?
(Yes, I am aware of the previous discussion on this (see post #500 and following, but I am skeptical for good reasons, as are others.)
(Yes, I am aware of the previous discussion on this (see post #500 and following, but I am skeptical for good reasons, as are others.)
I saw that, too, and I wondered about the same thing.
32 watts has to be borderline to move that much driver surface area. But I have learned from 80 watts on 89dB panels that I am happy to give up headroom for other sonic benefits.
this group of audio files is not on WBF. There are many great systems that are not public and not known. Imagine how many Air Force zeros have been sold, and I’ve heard it’s a large number. How many are on WBF?
The beautiful thing about the system is it was completely scalable. Solo cello to large scale orchestra and rock played very loudly. You can’t just go by the numbers.
This is true. I will forever give Brad credit for being the only person who was correct about what it takes to drive the BG RD75.
I certainly was wrong.
Brad was indeed right about your speakers, but there's a lot of surface area on the Kharmas that has to be driven at a 4 Ohm impedance (your ribbons have a higher impedance). And it's not just 200 Hz and above as with your ribbons and their self-driven bass towers, but lots of surface in the Kharma bass drivers.
I just don't see it with the Kharmas, dynamics at loud volume.
Peter was there. He reports the system sounded "excellent" and "natural." And we know that Peter knows very well what high dynamics sounds like from his own system and from David's systems.
I accept his in-the-room findings.
Imagine how many VDH cartridges or 3012R have been sold in the market because owners find them unsatisfactory. So what? People sold for different reasons.
I think Peter means that there are a lot of great systems in the world, that are not on WBF. He is not implying that Zero owners have sold their turntables.
you guys can imagine all you want. I was there I heard it in a big room and it was dynamic and loud and super clean. Very natural sounding on all sorts of music.
people are always criticizing others about their imaginations when they haven’t actually heard of system. You’re doing the same here. I heard it you did not.
in fact I don’t even understand why you guys are arguing about something you haven’t heard.
I am sorry i misunderstood. There is certain a member in WBF has AF0.I think Peter means that there are a lot of great systems in the world, that are not on WBF. He is not implying that Zero owners have sold their turntables.
I think there is one member of WBF who has an Air Force zero. I do not know how many of those turntables have been built. There are 14 American sound AS 2000. I am the only owner who posts here.
it’s the same thing with great systems. The owners simply don’t want to discuss them publicly at places like WBF. I just heard one of these systems and here are people arguing that the Lamm cannot drive the karma. I heard it for myself. What normal person would want to subject himself to that kind of criticism from strangers who haven’t even heard the system?
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I have heard something quite similar work just fine, so I don’t doubt that it can work. As with Ron’s speakers, I find members here consistently overestimate how much power they need. 32 watts will drive a 91dB speaker to more than loud enough without clipping in most domestic rooms and listening volumes.
Tge Dynamikks Athos 10 (91dB and 6 ohm) worked fine with down to 15 watts or so.
An audio buddy of mine once bought nominally 96 dB sensitive speakers thinking that his 15 W/ch triode amps (same as I had at the time) could drive them. The amps unceremoniously "died" on the speaker, with a flat and undynamic sound. These speakers had a 10 inch woofer for the bass which seemed to be the problem.
My minimonitors of much less nominal sensitivity (90 dB) at 4 Ohm, but with only a 5 inch midwoofer, could easily be driven very dynamically by the same amps.
It's not just specified sensitivity, but driver surface area as well. The Kharmas have lots of surface area.
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Two. TL1 has it, audioblazer has it, and the latter’s friend who is not on WBF also has it
I think we know 6. You, tang, Christian. Andrew Tan is on FB. One guy in the east who is on the forum but does not post publicly about it much if at all. Mr T so also has Kronos and the big acoustical signature top model.
i know Maril’s friend has one
I thought two were spares to use as a reference to check against for the others that were being produced.
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