How long does it take to develop into a talented reviewer that other audiophil trust?

caesar

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How long does it take to develop into a talented reviewer that other audiophiles trust? Any one have any thoughts? There are no apprenticeships for this work.

Seems like a tough job. You need audiophiles to trust you. (And that trust can be easily destroyed- just ask the Analytic Sound guys.) But you also need for manufacturers to trust you with their equipment. And you need to be a rainmaker and bring in the ad revenue. An impossible job?
 

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How long does it take to develop into a talented reviewer that other audiophiles trust? Any one have any thoughts? There are no apprenticeships for this work.

Seems like a tough job. You need audiophiles to trust you. (And that trust can be easily destroyed- just ask the Analytic Sound guys.) But you also need for manufacturers to trust you with their equipment. And you need to be a rainmaker and bring in the ad revenue. An impossible job?
There is no need to be a rainmaker and bring in the ad revenue. In fact, reviewers should have no concern or involvement with such activities.
 

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I think this is a fair and interesting question. I certainly don't trust most magazine print reviews (I trust your average audiophile much more). I think some of the reviewers are very talented writers who unfortunately can't write what they probably want to.
 

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There is no need to be a rainmaker and bring in the ad revenue. In fact, reviewers should have no concern or involvement with such activities.

+1

Where did Caesar get that from??????
 

Peter Breuninger

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Ok, I'll play this game.

Let's turn it around... who would I trust?

1) Print reviewer? Zine reviewer? Hmmm, gotta think on this one. I need years of comps, years of listening, known listening biases, writing and communication skills, not to mention the conflicts of interest I know of.

The audiophile? I need years of comps, years of listening, known listening biases, and investments in the gear biases (conflicts of interest).

Dealers/distributors? I need years... well you get the idea.

To me it, it is a function of skin in the game. The dealers and distributors really do know best, IMHO. They have to select products that satisfy their clients needs. They cannot select or sell bad sounding products.

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As a rule I trust reviewers information, comments and findings, but I read them mainly for information and enjoyment, particularly those written by talented writers with very good writing skills. Besides we can learn a lot about what and how to listen critically from their examples. Sometimes reviews are centered around some specif characteristics of the equipment and become an interesting essay about that subject, much more interesting that the piece under review. I appreciate long reviews, filled with examples referring to musical excerpts.
 

Brian Walsh

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How long does it take to develop into a talented reviewer that other audiophiles trust? Any one have any thoughts? There are no apprenticeships for this work.

Seems like a tough job. You need audiophiles to trust you. (And that trust can be easily destroyed- just ask the Analytic Sound guys.) But you also need for manufacturers to trust you with their equipment. And you need to be a rainmaker and bring in the ad revenue. An impossible job?

+1 to Kal. Huge thumbs up on that one!

Are you trying to figure out how to become a reviewer? Don't! It's not easy, and you have to get used to changing your system around a lot.

Audiophiles' trust? Ha! Where to begin?
 

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How long does it take to develop into a talented reviewer that other audiophiles trust? Any one have any thoughts? There are no apprenticeships for this work.

Seems like a tough job. You need audiophiles to trust you. (And that trust can be easily destroyed- just ask the Analytic Sound guys.) But you also need for manufacturers to trust you with their equipment. And you need to be a rainmaker and bring in the ad revenue. An impossible job?

Generally, trust does not emerge until a few months after you retire or die. You then have about a year of trust, then periodic moments of being remembered as a trusted resource.

Audiophiles have long, long memories; they want the reviewers they trusted when they started out to still be in circulation and are suspicious of any 'newcomers' who emerged in the intervening period. As this can sometimes include a 30 year hiatus between that first review and their latest round of review reading, the names are likely to have changed.

Generally though, what engenders trust in a reviewer is consistency. There are significant pressures today (mostly, it must be said, from the enthusiasts) to be the Audiophile Champion, trying to support an industry that receives nothing but opprobrium from without. This has meant those who write a fair review of a product are considered to be unfairly negative about that product, and more than a couple of negative reviews in relatively quick succession paint the reviewer as Benedict Arnold with a tonearm. This means that where you could - and should - be able to follow the opinions of a trusted reviewer, that now possibly needs some nuancing. Many reviewers today have two settings - default, and wow! mode. The default setting is 'this is an OK to good product, but ultimately not one that I'd choose to use in daily life.' and wow! mode is 'this really pushes my buttons and I'd be happy to use it (if I could afford it or I wasn't still paying off the product from the same category I bought last year)'. And if those 'wow!' products are consistently directed toward an audio performance you either like - or, just as significantly, intensely dislike - the reviewer's consistency is retained, and that should suggest someone trustworthy.

In great fairness, some of this comes about because we don't receive so many really dreadful products anymore. The market thins out the pack fairly quickly, and while not everything is to everyone's liking, the products that are only to the liking of the designer and their friends tend to disappear without a trace fairly rapidly. However, there's also an unfortunate side effect of audio still having a strongly review-led component to product success; we can bury a product for the least thing, and usually not something we expected. We've all accidentally killed off a good product through the merest slip of the keyboard at one time or another, and that responsibility hangs heavy.
 

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You can't put a time-stamp on trust. It's earned over time through consistent, honest and unbiased reviews (regardless of what the product is). Every reviewer has a different approach in how they write/express their opinion, and not all audiophiles will find value in every approach. I am personally bored to tears with over-the-top details on the technology of a component. That doesn't mean I trust them (the review and the reviewer) less, but I do value their writings less as most of it is uninteresting to me. Although trust and value are separate issues, there is a connection that must be created in order for me to make a fair assumption on a reviewers effectiveness. I tend to prefer shorter reviews with on emphasis on how a piece sounds within a system and an overall opinion of the quality or craftsmanship. I also tend to read more music reviews as that is my primary interest.

I think I veered off-course slightly here, but I hope you still trust and value my opinion of the opinion makers!;):)
 

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As usual Alan you made my morning.
 

Ethan Winer

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I don't trust any reviewers. Heck, I don't trust anyone. Well, I trust Kal because I know him, I know his tastes, and I've heard his (weekend home) system many times. But I never trust any stranger's opinion.

--Ethan
 

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I don't trust any reviewers. Heck, I don't trust anyone. Well, I trust Kal because I know him, I know his tastes, and I've heard his (weekend home) system many times. But I never trust any stranger's opinion.

--Ethan

That's OK, I wouldn't trust me, ether.

Only this morning, I used my credit card to buy stuff without asking my permission first.

But the whole not trusting any stranger's opinion must be a bit tough. I'm willing to take statements like "cyanide tastes of bitter almonds" or even "watch out for that falling tree!" pretty much at face value with little or no need to experiment.

Thinking about it still more, I probably would react to the 'falling tree' statement without even needing to see the person's lumberjack credentials. Trusting soul that I am.
 
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thedudeabides

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I don't trust any reviewers. Heck, I don't trust anyone. Well, I trust Kal because I know him, I know his tastes, and I've heard his (weekend home) system many times. But I never trust any stranger's opinion.

--Ethan

Ethan,

There are a myriad of reviewers out there (past and present) whose reviews are largely based on subjective (read listening) experiences.

Is that the reason why you don't trust any of them, given your bias towards measurement oriented analysis, versus reviews that are based on "listening" to the actual product?

GG
 

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Fidelity investments requires their portfolio managers to invest in the funds they manage.

Yes, but what % of their net worth?
Can they take a short position against their investment to ride out a storm, that the common person in that fund does not have that Luxury[short position]?
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I trust Ethan Winer. (Not actually a reviewer.)

I trust Doug Self. (Not actually a reviewer.)

I trust Peter Aczel. (Actually a reviewer.)

Basically I 'trust' information sources according to their provenance, as laid out by Stuart Brand in 'The Media Lab.' That means, on the basis of what I know about them, most of which is garnered from reading what they wrote.

That's the way it is for most people, isn't it? Just... some people don't know how to critically evaluate what they read for reliability (evidently, given that there are so many reviewers in employment that I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them.)

How do you get the trust of audiophiles? Easy, be an audiophile, they're unmistakeable. I say easy, but in my case it'll never happen, I'm just not capable of it.

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Brian Walsh

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How do you get the trust of audiophiles? Easy, be an audiophile, they're unmistakeable. I say easy, but in my case it'll never happen, I'm just not capable of it.

w
So in other words, you look down your nose at "audiophiles" because "they're unmistakeable" [sp]. Whatever that is supposed to mean.

Yeah, let's throw 'em all under the bus.

Too bad for you.
 

Mosin

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For me, it's more about trusting the publication.

It seems that some online magazines will allow anyone to write reviews, as long as the pay scale equals zero. Even I have been asked to write, and the guy never inquired about my setup at all. I tend to dismiss those publications out of hand without taking the time to sort out who their good writers may be, yet they seem to retain credibility in a lot of circles. Go figure.

Some examples of those who write for such outfits:

The reviewer who has a Rega Planar 3 in his system. It's not that it won't play records okay, but is he really the guy to review high-end turntables?
The reviewer who said on an open forum that anything more than $300 is too much for a phono stage. Really, now.
The reviewer who posted photos of his system, complete with uncovered massive glass windows directly behind it.
 

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