Entreq Tellus grounding,in england

Steve Williams said:

I completely agree Barry and would like to suggest to esldude that perhaps his post is somewhat inflammatory

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amirm said:

You too??? Here is an x-ray of a couple of iPhones:

If we were discussing said phones and someone suggested we use such x-ray imaging, you would consider that wrong and inflammatory? For a doctor who uses diagnostic imaging in his work, I am shocked to hear your point of view. What gives?

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Fiddle Faddle said:

There is a bit of a rubber band effect with Entreq in my experience, spaz. I actually saw it happen when I did my amateur measurements just using the "second sound card" technique. I'd pull the plug and the noise floor did not drop right away. It slowly dropped, then remained somewhat steady after 15 minutes. Same thing happens when it re-connected. Entreq I believe says some time connected is needed for the full results to appear and I do have to say I literally saw this happen with my eyes, not my ears. I think anyone wanting to test Entreq would really want to have the box and cable connected for a full 48 hours to do "with" testing and 24 hours disconnected for "without" testing. I wasn't so pedantic in my tsting because my test rig playback sound card only has a quoted S/N of 117dB at 48 KHz to begin with (and 114 at 96) and I wasn't going to sit there for days when the workstation was needed for other stuff.

Oddly enough, in my first experienced that was a failure (the one with the "antenna" interconnect), I could see the high frequency noise floor change immediately when the Entreq was connected / disconnected. But after building a "proper" interconnect, I then witnessed the rubber band effect.

I actually did the test a few times to make sure what I was seeing was repeatable and representative and was not due to some other factors unrelated to Entreq.

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Steve Williams said:

Happy Saturday to all. I've been away for the past 8 days and completely off the grid. Catching up on the posts at WBF in the past week has brought me to this thread and close to 30 pages of posts. I have to say first off as a member but more importantly as an administrator and owner of this forum that I was truly embarrassed to have read what I did here by many members. Clearly there is a difference in opinions between those who own the product and take pride in their ownership because of what they hear vs those who not only don't own the product but have never heard it and slam it and its manufacturer without ever hearing the product. Personally I don't own it and have no pony in the game but I take great objection to these armchair engineers who on the basis of their claimed credentials continue to offer up their "opinion" that it is nothing but cat litter. Perhaps but my question is to the naysayers why won't you just put one as offered in your systems and then tell us your opinions. I feel as well that it is healthy to have differences of opinions but to myself as well as many readers here it seems bothersome that opinions be offered as sacrosanct without ever having heard the product. Further I felt comments about P-O as being a farmer and therefore incapable of making something that would benefit audiophiles as truly bothersome. How many great ideas, inventions, creations etc have come from ordinary people like you and I.

Personally I give more credence to those who have heard this equipment and voiced their opinion, be it positive or negative, than to those who have never heard it but claim it be impossible to glean any sonic benefit.

Of course this is just my opinion but again I have to apologize to P-O as well as to others who were offended by such comments

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Fiddle Faddle said:

There is a bit of a rubber band effect with Entreq in my experience, spaz. I actually saw it happen when I did my amateur measurements just using the "second sound card" technique. I'd pull the plug and the noise floor did not drop right away. It slowly dropped, then remained somewhat steady after 15 minutes. Same thing happens when it re-connected. .

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jkeny said:

I agree. That's my experience too - as the noise floor decreases, the listening experience become more realistic. I don't know if this is because we can then hear a more natural sonic tail to sounds or because by reducing noise we are also probably reducing noise modulation - it's probably a combination of both factors

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BE718 said:

How do you measure the noise floor in your DACs JK? Thats not a facecious question, I want to know you know when the noise floor in whatever equipment you are listening to has decreased?

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jkeny said:

I don't need to measure it as when I use a LiFePO4 battery I know it is lower noise than any PS it replaces

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BE718 said:

...and then you insult people by calling them armchair engineers.....OK..........well at least some of us are actually qualified and experienced in the relevant fields unlike the designer of the product......

You do not have to hear a product to make an assessment of its technical (lack of) virtue.

Whats your technical assessment / opinion of how the box (allegedly) works?

I absolutely distrust others subjective opinions due to the inherent flaws that many of the subjectivists seemingly refuse to acknowledge, ie expectation bias etc, etc, etc

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BE718 said:

So in other words you dont know. You jave assumed the DAC output is lower noise. BTW that wasnt just a question about your DACs. It was a more general question about the kit you listen to and how you justify your statement about your perceptions V the kit noise level.

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Steve Williams said:

And I suppose you thought his post was sincere and not meant to be sarcastic. Once again you obfuscate and deflect.

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amirm said:

Your posts continue to be off-topic Steve. Do you have something to contribute to the OP of the thread?

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amirm said:

There has been little to no slamming of manufacturer.

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Steve Williams said:

as I said I have no pony in the game and said earlier that I take credence from those who have listened whether this be positive or negative. Some here through all of these thousands of pages of Entreq posts have claimed no change after listening.I respect that.

So take up the challenge even if your system says there is no need. People respect that more rather than someone pumping their chests and saying there is no need to listen.I say take off your engineer data driven mind and give it a listen.Use your ears for once Then to come back and say such is the same as me doing that much needed physical examination. Short of that yes, IMHO is see that as armchair engineering.

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jkeny said:

No you are wrong! Measurements of LiFePO4 battery noise has been done, I don't need to repeat it. When I did my initial design, I used my 100MHz scope to roughly look at PS noise & it very noticeably dropped
So yes when I change from a VBUS regulated PS to battery in my DACs , I note the improvement in realism of the sound & know that it's related to lower noise. I have witnessed it in other devices too in changing to these batteries.

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