Crystal Disc US$1600 was played with Genesis Speaker

[Steve Williams]

The K2HD is the way to go IMHO the SACD was a huge disappointment.

Not so sure about SACD however like you I do enjoy my recordings done in K2HD format

 

[MylesBAstor]

I don't personally have the RTR master dub of that performance, maybe Bruce does?. however; I have the Classic Records 45rpm box set which is outstanding. it's among the very best sounding 45's I have.....and I have the Hybrid SACD (I cannot remember how good it sounds it's been so long since I listened to it).....I may have the dsd file too but cannot remember whether I do or not. i'll look thru my server to see.

I do also have the Classic 33rpm vinyl of this.

Jazdoc likely does have an original pressing. in this case i'm betting the Classic 45 rules.

If not, in a pinch I have a copy or two of the original. Only problem is finding them

 

[edorr]

To call this system purely synchronous is misleading IMO, suggesting that the reading of data from the CD has a link to the jitter at the output. As you later say, it doesn't, but as I mentioned, someone determined to find a use for a $1600 CD could home in on 'ground related issues', hence my description of completely separate transport and DAC, plus extra buffer.

The process of reading data from the disc is asynchronous with the signal processing taking place in the DAC, but the link between the transport and DAC is synchronous in the majority of architectures.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

If not, in a pinch I have a copy or two of the original. Only problem is finding them

i have a couple early copies, but likely not original pressings. they are nothing to write home about and my 45 set is far better. but then, in the case of the Classic 45's verses original shaded dogs i prefer the 45's in every comparison i have done, and i even typically prefer the Classic 33's to originals, but that is much closer and more a matter of preference.

 

[MylesBAstor]

i have a couple early copies, but likely not original pressings. they are nothing to write home about and my 45 set is far better. but then, in the case of the Classic 45's verses original shaded dogs i prefer the 45's in every comparison i have done, and i even typically prefer the Classic 33's to originals, but that is much closer and more a matter of preference.

I like the music but never understand why it's a reference album? There's some really obvious problems going on with the mikes, among other things.

 

[Phelonious Ponk]

first; Tim.....you should come to Seattle for this.....I will even contribute to your plane fare fund personally.

second, my only reaction to your request for blind testing is .

I don't want this thread to decend into that discussion.

I do promise to do blind testing for sure if you show up.

That would be an elevation of the discussion! Seriously, if you know when you're listening to the Crystal disc and when you're listening to CD, if you discuss it, there really won't be much point.

Tim

 

[DaveyF]

i have a couple early copies, but likely not original pressings. they are nothing to write home about and my 45 set is far better. but then, in the case of the Classic 45's verses original shaded dogs i prefer the 45's in every comparison i have done, and i even typically prefer the Classic 33's to originals, but that is much closer and more a matter of preference.

Mike, when you say you have a couple of early copies, but likely not the originals, are you talking about the original 1s1s pressing? As you know, not all of the 1s1s pressings are the best pressings of a particular album. As an example, the 10s 10s pressing is many times to be preferred. I will look and see if I have a 1s1s pressing of Belafonte.

 

[NorthStar]

Actually, it's nothing new. Robert Harley reviewed one in 2009:
http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/the-2000-cd-made-from-glass-1/

Very last line: "The mystery remains."

and I first heard one by Winston probably around the same time. Glass masters have been in use since the first CDs were stamped , but these were extremely delicate. It was the development of shatterproof Gorilla Glass by Corning that made these possible as something that can actually be sold to consumers. AFAIK, a glass master costs from $600 to $1,200 to make, depending on the plant.

Just like if you ever had the chance to compare a lacquer and the eventual pressed LP, the difference between the glass master and the actual pressed CD is night and day. The difference is that a lacquer would deteriorate at every play. The glass master won't.

Interesting. ...Would be nice to mass produce them at realistic/down-to-earth/accessible to all prices.

- Music is accessible to all (most); it's only that the very best sources aren't; only to them the fortunate few, and with the financial resources.
-> R2R tapes of the best quality aren't free. ...Vinyls of the best quality and exclusivity aren't free. ...Crystal Discs aren't free.
* Are Crystal Discs more durable (reliable, simpler, and lasting) than the best R2R tapes?

We, the average masses, we have access to the latest generation copies (pressed replicas), and we're satisfy enough with the sound quality.
Everything is fine, normal, just the way things are and should be, I think. ...And until we ourselves have access to better .... the originals.

$1,600 for music embedded (pitted) on a disc made of crystal is one thing; there are other things going on right now, on our planet, that are much much tougher to digest.

 

[garylkoh]

$1,600 for music embedded (pitted) on a disc made of crystal is one thing; there are other things going on right now, on our planet, that are much much tougher to digest.

Like bottled water.

 

[NorthStar]

Belafonte - At Carnegie Hall | Double-Album (LP) set

Mike, when you say you have a couple of early copies, but likely not the originals, are you talking about the original 1s1s pressing? As you know, not all of the 1s1s pressings are the best pressings of a particular album. As an example, the 10s 10s pressing is many times to be preferred. I will look and see if I have a 1s1s pressing of Belafonte.

So is it a question of 'luck' when people first bought that double LP, or is it knowledge that came much later on?

* When buying music, should we always investigate first where it's coming from (pressing plant)?

 

[Steve Williams]

post deleted

way off topic

 

[jazdoc]

Jazdoc likely does have an original pressing. in this case i'm betting the Classic 45 rules.

No luck, not a big Belafonte fan...I'll turn in my audiophile badge at the demo!

Is there a crystal disc of Opeth's "Damnation"?

 

[Johnny Vinyl]

No luck, not a big Belafonte fan...I'll turn in my audiophile badge at the demo!

Is there a crystal disc of Opeth's "Damnation"?

You're not alone.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

No luck, not a big Belafonte fan...I'll turn in my audiophile badge at the demo!

you will note that i've never (to my recollection) played that Belefonte recording for you in my room (even though it sounds great). i don't care for the music that much. i do like 'Belafonte Sings The Blues' OTOH.

Is there a crystal disc of Opeth's "Damnation"?

i doubt that works for the target HK market of the Crystal Disc.

 

[NorthStar]

Yeah, I must have three double-album sets of Belafonte - At Carnegie Hall, but sure don't play them at all.
Heck none of my three turntables are hooked up at the moment.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

Mike, when you say you have a couple of early copies, but likely not the originals, are you talking about the original 1s1s pressing? As you know, not all of the 1s1s pressings are the best pressings of a particular album. As an example, the 10s 10s pressing is many times to be preferred. I will look and see if I have a 1s1s pressing of Belafonte.

i will have to lay my hands of those pressings to answer your question. by early i simply meant a shaded dog and not a later reissue. not that it had an early number.

i know it is a shaded dog, but not great sounding relative to my Classic Records pressing. beyond that any specifics would be a guess.

i know i never pursued any specific early

 

[NorthStar]

This Live Double Album set was originally recorded on April 19 and 20th, 1959, and released in October 1959, in Mono, on the RCA Victor record label.
And the stereo version, also on RCA Victor from the 'Living Stereo' series.
And later on on Columbia Records.
And on EMI.
And Island Records.

* I got three different versions (strictly on LP; no CD), and I ain't going down in my basement to find out which ones.

 

[DaveyF]

i will have to lay my hands of those pressings to answer your question. by early i simply meant a shaded dog and not a later reissue. not that it had an early number.

i know it is a shaded dog, but not great sounding relative to my Classic Records pressing. beyond that any specifics would be a guess.

i know i never pursued any specific early

Mike, you might want to check which pressing you have, There are 'white dog' pressings out there as well as lower number 'shaded dog' pressings ( BTW, on the popular series, the "white dog" can easily be mistaken for the earlier "shaded dog" ) . The SQ varies greatly as to which copy. IMO, the earliest number "shaded dog" is the best followed by a later number "shaded dog" and lastly the "white dogs". I think the 1s 1s "shaded dog" is a superb recording and easily on a par with the Classic re-issue.

 

[edorr]

Mike, you might want to check which pressing you have, There are 'white dog' pressings out there as well as lower number 'shaded dog' pressings ( BTW, on the popular series, the "white dog" can easily be mistaken for the earlier "shaded dog" ) . The SQ varies greatly as to which copy. IMO, the earliest number "shaded dog" is the best followed by a later number "shaded dog" and lastly the "white dogs". I think the 1s 1s "shaded dog" is a superb recording and easily on a par with the Classic re-issue.

What would anyone that is "....not a big Belafonte fan..." give a crap what pressing he has?

 

[NorthStar]

Even on Crystal Disc?