New Tape decks coming to my house.

rockitman

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I know these old Studers can get the juices flowing but heed J. Tin's words in the Axpona video. They will will cost you, and cost you and cost you. I would buy a UHA in a heartbeat if I were in the market for a deck. But that's just me. I have enough gear coming and going and I don't need any more that requires repairs/updates or mods.

The A80 RC is a relatively simple design compared to the A810 and A820. The one I am getting has been gone through. Rebuilt spooling and capstan motors along with replacement of critical caps and new JRF Magnetics repro head. I am finally looking forward to being an A80 RC Mark II owner. My deck will also have a switchable xlr outs for connection to an outboard pre like the Doshi. I was close to getting a UHA until this second well sorted Studer became available.
 

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From my experience, the differences between A80RC and A80RC mkII are:

1) Label in the back of the machine with serial number
2) Generally speaking, earlier A80RCs (or MkI as referred by others) have speeds 7.5/15 ips whereas MkIIs have 15/30 ips (but not absolute info since it can be converted to one from the other)
3) There are many transport control and audio card revision differences between the two. If the boards are all original, one can visually identify an old A80 transport cards by adjustment pots with round face metal casing and Mk IIs having square plastic kind. Again the board could have been replace (as found on Spooling Control card in the eBay machine that must have been replaced at one time). In the audio card racks, you can tell first by looking at the Oscillator card. A80RC has only one 1/8" DIN Erase current connection on the faceplate of the Oscillator card and most MkII has additional four yellow LEDs for various status indications (could vary widely with different configurations - stereo/mono, etc). Of course there are major differences in audio cards and audio power supply boards. As I had mentioned elsewhere, there are two different discrete audio "opamp" modules and beefier audio power supply found in Mk II.
4) Another visual indication of a machine's age is coloration of the PushButton legend color. Although it can be easily replaced but as shown in the eBay machine in discussion, the PB assembly seems to be original and shows its serious age with deep yellowed discoloration. Younger PB label has white color. More significant difference in the PB assembly is in its non contact solid-state switch used in Mk II version and old regular contact type used in earlier A80s. Of course the non-contact type will last longer but could fail being an active part.
5) VU meter assemblies for A80 and A80MkII are the same in both physical and electrical design other than the aged VU meters would have the +3dB red section faded into more like pink in color. One can look at the condition of the volume numbers around the monitor amp volume knob...for age.
6) Headblock and heads are another can-of-worms that are meant to be replaced. But remember if the head wear (anything more than ~1/8" in width flat surface, IMO) is too deep (such as the one from eBay), it can't be relapped but must be replaced. If the headblock cover has too many razor cut marks, it generally represents machine that wasn't loved in proper ways.
7) Capstan - brand new capstan or one that was reconditioned have mat finish with same color all through out the shaft. I personally don't think mirror finish from normal use isn't all that bad as long as it pulls the tape properly. The Nagra T's have its entire capstan in mirror finish including tape contact area. On the other hand, if the wear is too deep to be felt when one runs finger nail across, it can't be good.
8) Runtime meter - its main use is to estimate the head use hours (IMO) and can't be the ultimate indicator of the machine's actual age. It can be disconnected, even wired in reverse to get younger as it gets more use (as recommended by Sony for their APR5000 series machines) and could run completely over and reset (more than likely what had happened to eBay machine)
9) other than the 1/2" head shield has no marker, there's no differences visually between 1/4" and 1/2" machines. However, there are electrical differences in both record and repro EQ boards.

In short, visual inspection of a Studer A80 is a small indication of the machine's actual operational condition. One never knows until the machine actually goes through exercise of basic operational tests with tape loaded and running of a cal tape for audio performance test. I personally prefer an old A80 that had been well taken care of in a recording studio than a newer A80mkII that had been neglected in a typical radio station. Checking how many tries it takes to Return to Zero after FF or REW, smooth Stop/Play transitions and FF/REW then going immediately to Play mode without creating tape loops around the capstan are good basic tests for proper tape transport operation. This could be a good subject for another post.

Ki

Great info there master Ki...Thank you ;)
 

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I cancelled the deal. He had a 60 day return policy. The item was not as described.

Hi Christian,

I know it's disappointing; however, you made the right choice :b
 

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Thanks for the info Ki , i knew the experts would react :D

Ps i think i have a mk 2 but i am not sure , the seller said it was and i bargained a bit anyway as it was broken , i brought it straight to the tech and didnt look at the back .
It had broken motor steer transistors , and it needed a new control board plus i have it completely recapped and some more stuff .
The b62 has new bearings, new move sensor (the rewind stopped to early ) also recapped and some other things.
They should arrive pretty soon , look forward to it .
That will also be the final end of my audiovoyage:D
 
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Sorry it didn't work out but I still love to look at vintage gear. Thanks for sharing your experience as we can all learn from it.

Bruce in PA
 

andromedaaudio

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Cost you ???
If you buy it for a good price at the start so that you can have it restored , from then on i understood they are relyable machines the studers.
Its an old medium to begin with , and indeed buying vintage stuff is pretty cool , same with old cars/motorcycles
 

andromedaaudio

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Maybe were gonna have a tape revival and there will be a modern SOTA rockport or continuum 1/4 inch tapemachine in 10 years time:D
 

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So the seller issued a cancel transaction w/o issue for this deck. A good deal all around.

Glad to hear you got looked after. I looked at this machine when the auction was on and thought there is no way it only has the hours stated.
I brought one from England a year or so ago and the seller mentioned 950 hours on the clock. I doubt that this is true but the capstan shaft
still has a matt finish on the surface where the tape runs. Best of luck finding a replacement. It took me almost two years to end up with both
of my A80's
Cheers
Graham
 

rockitman

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Glad to hear you got looked after. I looked at this machine when the auction was on and thought there is no way it only has the hours stated.
I brought one from England a year or so ago and the seller mentioned 950 hours on the clock. I doubt that this is true but the capstan shaft
still has a matt finish on the surface where the tape runs. Best of luck finding a replacement. It took me almost two years to end up with both
of my A80's
Cheers
Graham

Thanks for the original heads up Graham. I think when I made the bid, it was in haste. No worry...I have a top condition Mark 2 on the way from someone I know and trust...fresh rebuilt spooling, capstan motors and new JRF magnetics heads. It will be a well sorted machine. If it weren't for your heads up, I might have made a mistake. This seller, to his credit had a 60 day return policy with no charge return shipping. He definitely was not looking to make an unhappy transaction.
 

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