King/Celllo input cap brands

[rockitman]

I have the Sidereals . There has been lots of talk of Mundorf and Duelund caps. Who is using what ? and what values ? The bottom line, what is best....

 

[MylesBAstor]

1 uF Mundorf Au/Ag in oil. As I said, light years better than Sidereals. Tried the Sidereals years ago when rebuilding my Magnepans. Didn't sound good then and don't sound any better nowadays either. BTW, Rich had brought over the Sidereal equipped version and the Mundorf unit was better on EVERY way! Have to burn in the Duelands and have Charlie install them (of course, the Duelands are much more expensive). Two others to consider are the Clarity-MR (used in my Doshi phono and Nick thinks they're better than Teflons) and VR Teflon caps (used them in the Bottlehead Repro).

 

[rockitman]

from humble homemade...

Mundorf M-Cap Supreme Silver/Gold/Oil 1200VDC – 2% tolerance

Technical specifications (according to manufacturer): "The MCap® SUPREME silver/gold/oil is definitely the top-of-the line model of our oil impregnated capacitors. In comparison with the Silver/Oil version, it technically features a further extended lifetime. More importantly, sonically the Silver/Gold/Oil version stands out due to its wonderful natural singing and exceptional micro dynamic, same time." Capacitance: 0.010uF-10uF; Dielectric: Polyprophylene; Metallisation: 99.99% silver, 1% gold; Purity of silver: min. 99.97% typ. 99.99%; Purity of gold: min. 99.97% typ. 99.99%

Sound: At this level we are talking about a really serious capacitor, so my findings are relative to other exotic types. They are richer and better layered than the Mundorf Silver/Gold, they seem more open and more spatial. Compared to the Duelund VSF copper they are not as well harmonically structured. The Duelund VSF copper capacitor creates smoother harmonics and a better midrange balance. The Silver/Gold/Oil excels in image depth, call it "bowling alley depth"! In direct comparison the Duelund VSF copper sounds flatter. Like the Mundorf Silver/Gold, the Silver/Gold/Oil has a slight top-end emphasis, this probably contributes to the perceived spatiality and micro-detailing. It will depend on the implementation and personal taste, some may prefer the Mundorf Silver/Gold/Oil, some may prefer the Duelund VSF copper foil capacitor.

Verdict: 12

http://www.humblehomemadehifi.com/Cap.html

 

[MylesBAstor]

Thanks Christian-seen that too. Not going to disagree that much. But am going to use the Cable Cooker on the Duelands for a week that according to Alan should dramatically improve their sound. If the results are like what I heard with cables,watch out!

 

[rockitman]

where's the best source to buy these caps ?

 

[MylesBAstor]

where's the best source to buy these caps ?

Which ones?

 

[rockitman]

The Duelund VSF copper.

Also, here's a pic of my guts...I assume the big light blue rectangular boxes toward the rear are the caps in question that need to be replaced ?

 

[U47]

My King/Cello has Mundorf Silver in Oil, supposedly one step down from the Au/Ag version. I insisted that Mike try the Mundorfs in his K/C and he preferred the Stock
Siderals.
I'm looking forward to hearing what Myles thinks of the Duelands. Hopefully Charlie can bring his unit to compare to the Duelanded K/C. I think Charlie has the Mundorfs in his personal unit.

RB

 

[Mike Lavigne]

I have the Sidereals . There has been lots of talk of Mundorf and Duelund caps. Who is using what ? and what values ? The bottom line, what is best....

i still have my 2 Mundorf Au/Ag oil caps sitting in my cabinet if someone wants them (for whatever is fair).

i may have been impatient waiting for them to settle; but to my ears they were veiled and closed in. i used a reverse RIAA device (for cartridge wire breakin) for 2 weeks on it but it did not clear up....a few hundred hours. i could not wait to remove them.

 

[rockitman]

very interesting Mike. Maybe I should leave well enough alone then...hmmmm

 

[Mike Lavigne]

very interesting Mike. Maybe I should leave well enough alone then...hmmmm

correction; my Mundorfs are the silver/oil.....not the Au/Ag.

 

[stellavox]

I have a "Tinkerer" customer who has removed the caps and likes what he hears a lot. Am going to try it with my Serial #1 and compare it to my latest customer unit. Am very skittish about doing this for others as the pre is then totally direct-coupled; and when pared with a direct-coupled pre and amp?????

Charles

 

[flez007]

Mine has Mundorf as well, not sure what sort of caps, sound is just right to my ears (not a velveted one but very dynamic)

 

[MylesBAstor]

very interesting Mike. Maybe I should leave well enough alone then...hmmmm

Results will vary but if there's one thing the Summits are, it's transparent. Perhaps it's differences between equipment as I remember Charlie having to mod the K/C for the DarTZeel electronics.

 

[MylesBAstor]

Before picture








After Dueland cap installation, with thanks to Charlie King!










Will get to hear on Sunday for first time!

 

[ack]

Man, I gotta be honest, I haven't seen such uninviting layout and execution since the '80s. This is really a turn-off, I hope it sounds much better that it looks.

 

[MylesBAstor]

Well so far, has bettered two other tape repros in my system and by a wide margin. You're basically looking at a Cello Audio Suite 603 module.

 

[rockitman]

Before picture

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After Dueland cap installation, with thanks to Charlie King!



Will get to hear on Sunday for first time!

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I am most anxious to hear your opinion vs the Sideral. Your guts look different than mine. Looks like I will need to see Charles soon...

 

[MylesBAstor]

Christian:

Remember my unit was one of the first the Charlie produced; you have a 'much' later unit!

 

[rockitman]

Christian:

Remember my unit was one of the first the Charlie produced; you have a 'much' later unit!

Okay, that makes sense now...