Why are you starting a political food fight, again ???
More interesting is the question as to why a question of science is considered to be a political issue?
no doubt the climate is changing. It always has. Now the question remains, to what extent has human civilization contributed ? That science is not exact. When one side of the isle purports the solution is carbon taxes, we all will pay more...I take issue with that. I have no problem with improved emission controls for cars, power plants, ect. The urgency to act in an irrational way can and does skew report data/estimates to better make their case for their funding constituency.
When one side of the isle purports the solution is carbon taxes, we all will pay more...
I have no problem with improved emission controls for cars, power plants, ect
The thing I can't get my head around is that when we say "pay more" we mean money. Money is exchanged for economic activity. Economic activity uses energy. So by "pay more" we mean "use more energy"..?
A politician on a UK programme the other day was promoting green energy, but pointing out that, unfortunately, green energy is more expensive than conventional. The same argument as above, applies. If the only way to buy a bit of green energy is to burn more energy than would otherwise have been burned, it all seems a bit pointless.
This is where the energy rebound effect comes into action. Whatever anyone saves in energy efficiency is then available for spending on other things, or invested in making even more useless stuff.
I think the solution to the paradox is that in the context of a (sort-of) free market economy, 'green' business and energy is a red herring. Whatever notional 'green'-ness is imposed, the energy will continue to be burned in ever-greater quantities until it runs out. That is the very essence and purpose of the market. Growth is everything and will not be stopped until forced to by natural limits.
No. Except in the sense that the apparent paradoxes of 'green business' and 'green growth' are not paradoxes if you realise that they're not 'green' at all.Was there a solution there?
The massive increase in size this year of the polar ice cap is making agencies rethink the process of global warming. It was originally predicted that arctic ice would completely disappear this year, and NASA photos show over half a million square miles of new ice instead. I agree that the whole climate change issue has been manipulated by those wishing to push agendas and make money. Global warming actually "paused" in the late 1990's, but causing panic was a good way to generate large tax increases on "non-green" energy production, etc.
Lee
That pause was due to a volcanic eruption that kicked huge amounts of ash into the atmosphere. I remember everything here being covered in ash and the eruption was over 100km away.
The carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has increased from .03% to .04% this year.
I don't think it has ever been that high.
On a more cynical note:
Beavers build dams. Humans build dams. They use wood and we use steel and concrete because we're more technologically advanced. We're also technologically advanced enough to refine dead dinosaurs into burnable fuel which raises the temperature of the planet. We also like to make long chain polymers among other things.
It's just what humans do. It's completely natural. If it wasn't natural, it wouldn't happen.
It's just one of life's self limiting factors. We're simply not going to be around forever.
That pause was due to a volcanic eruption that kicked huge amounts of ash into the atmosphere. I remember everything here being covered in ash and the eruption was over 100km away.
Was there a solution there?
Tim
The massive increase in size this year of the polar ice cap is making agencies rethink the process of global warming. It was originally predicted that arctic ice would completely disappear this year, and NASA photos show over half a million square miles of new ice instead. I agree that the whole climate change issue has been manipulated by those wishing to push agendas and make money. Global warming actually "paused" in the late 1990's, but causing panic was a good way to generate large tax increases on "non-green" energy production, etc.
Lee
From Iceland.
What was the volcano in Iceland?
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