Wilson Audio Master Subsonic Subwoofer

Ron Resnick · Feb 4, 2018

Who has seen or heard the special Master Subsonic subwoofers which match the WAMM speakers?

How does the Master Subsonic differ from Thor’s Hammer?

What is the size of the drivers in the Master Subsonic?

Is the Master Subsonic a completely passive box speaker which requires a Watch Controller and an outboard amplifier?

Ron Resnick · Feb 18, 2018

These photos are from MonoandStereo.com:

So . . . very different than the two 15" cones in the Thor's Hammer, we see three cones here. Are these three 15" cones? With an aluminum (rather than a Wilson "X" material or whatever) baffle?

These look like pretty amazing subwoofers!

microstrip · Feb 18, 2018

Ron Resnick said:
Who has seen or heard the special Master Subsonic subwoofers which match the WAMM speakers?

How does the Master Subsonic differ from Thor’s Hammer?

What is the size of the drivers in the Master Subsonic?

Is the Master Subsonic a completely passive box speaker which requires a Watch Controller and an outboard amplifier?

Jacob Helibrunn is listening to them in his system. They need two Watch Controllers- we can see them in the right side, under the turntable.

Ron Resnick · Feb 18, 2018

Good eyes, Francisco!

Yes, I am aware that Jacob has them. He is the only person I am aware of who has them.

Can your eagle eyes discern what power amps Jacob is using to drive the subwoofers?

microstrip · Feb 18, 2018

Ron Resnick said:
Good eyes, Francisco!

Yes, I am aware that Jacob has them. He is the only person I am aware of who has them.

Can your eagle eyes discern what power amps Jacob is using to drive the subwoofers?

No, but David Wilson is known to use Parasound amplifiers for subs in his room. Can we guess that the box close to the left sub is a JC-1?

LL21 · Feb 18, 2018

Hey Ron,

presumably you have seen the picture on Mono & Stereo where there are 3 woofers per Sub on the new WAMM sub vs 2 woofers on the older Thor.

http://www.monoandstereo.com/2018/02/wilson-audio-wamm-master-subsonic.html#more

Ron Resnick · Feb 18, 2018

So the set-up is $45,000 X 2 for the subwoofers + $5,000 X 2 for JC-1s + $4,000 X 2 for Watch Controllers = about $110,000 for the whole subwoofing system?

That is a lot! (But I like the height of the Master Subsonic Subwoofer!)

Alternatively, an all-inclusive REL Acoustics No.25 "6 Pack" = $7,500 X 6 = $45,000. I still like the speaker-level connection method of REL, so the subwoofer system (albeit Class D) inherits some of the character of the full-range amplifiers.

Wilson Audio told me a couple of years ago that there is no way to tap a speaker-level output to feed the Watch Controllers.

LL21 · Feb 18, 2018

microstrip said:
Jacob Helibrunn is listening to them in his system. They need two Watch Controllers- we can see them in the right side, under the turntable.

I also notice a CJ GAT 2...presumably as part of his review of them.

microstrip · Feb 18, 2018

LL21 said:
I also notice a CJ GAT 2...presumably as part of his review of them.

He already reviewd it - did you miss it?
But for the Wamm he will probably use the D'Agostino's.

Ron Resnick · Feb 18, 2018

LL21 said:
Hey Ron,

presumably you have seen the picture on Mono & Stereo where there are 3 woofers per Sub on the new WAMM sub vs 2 woofers on the older Thor.

http://www.monoandstereo.com/2018/02/wilson-audio-wamm-master-subsonic.html#more

Yes, thank you. (See post #2, above.)

LL21 · Feb 18, 2018

microstrip said:
He already reviewd it - did you miss it?
But for the Wamm he will probably use the D'Agostino's.

Actually, i did not miss it...thanks to you! I think you were the first to let me know he had published it.

Lee · Feb 19, 2018

Ron Resnick said:
Who has seen or heard the special Master Subsonic subwoofers which match the WAMM speakers?

How does the Master Subsonic differ from Thor’s Hammer?

What is the size of the drivers in the Master Subsonic?

Is the Master Subsonic a completely passive box speaker which requires a Watch Controller and an outboard amplifier?

I have heard them. They are as magical as the WAMM Chronosonics. Huge cabinet and very heavy but the best bass I have heard.

LL21 · Feb 19, 2018

Lee said:
I have heard them. They are as magical as the WAMM Chronosonics. Huge cabinet and very heavy but the best bass I have heard.

stunning...would love to hear.

Legolas · Feb 27, 2018

Lee said:
I have heard them. They are as magical as the WAMM Chronosonics. Huge cabinet and very heavy but the best bass I have heard.

Best bass I ever heard was Leftfield in Leeds, but that is live not at home. But I can imagine the Wilson subs kick ass. The big deal with subs is always the way it integrates with the rest of the system, thus the speaker / main amp taps method can try to alleviate that. The timing and phase and room nodes, not an easy task at all. But to gain the last octave and set a foundation for the main speakers can be incredible if done well. The room plays a lot into if this kind of system is going to work IMO. It needs major work to avoid room nodes and peaks / drop outs. In fact I wouldn't even attempt it on a wooden floored house, concrete maybe....

Ron Resnick · Feb 27, 2018

Lee said:
I have heard them. They are as magical as the WAMM Chronosonics. Huge cabinet and very heavy but the best bass I have heard.

Thank you, Lee!

spiritofmusic · Mar 4, 2018

What’s the price of one of these bad boys? Does that incl the WatchDog crossover box?

cannata · Mar 4, 2018

Aluminum faceplate? Where did they get that idea, LOL...

andromedaaudio · Mar 4, 2018

From magico AM i wrong cannata???
Cant u say anything positieve about Wilson?

lol

Folsom · Mar 4, 2018

Ron, do you think you'll need a subwoofer, with the Pendragon subwoofer towers?

If you are looking for sheer power, a serious amount, I suggest you look at Funk audio. They are not as musical as servo system, but they lay down monster power for very reasonable prices. The musical factor isn't that important for you given that the its not really "music" down below what the Pengradons do. I've read about people replacing JL subs with Funks, and getting more output with fewer drivers.

Trying to find an amplifier to go with your subwoofers can be a real pain, since there aren't as many super high watt amplifiers available that aren't built into subwoofers.

Ron Resnick · Mar 4, 2018

Folsom said:
Ron, do you think you'll need a subwoofer, with the Pendragon subwoofer towers?

. . .

No, not at all. I just think the new Wilson Audio subwoofer looks like an interesting, state-of-the-art product.

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