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    what would YOU choose over Artisan Fidelity?

    Hi guys
    If you had a friend who was considering pulling the trigger on either an Artisan Fidelity 301 Statement or AF Technics Sp10Mk3 NGS, (or both), what would be your advice?
    Would you steer them towards Kronos, Techdas or someone else?

    I liked what I was hearing about Wave Kinetics decks, but was slightly put off by the lack of any dealers on my side of the pond.
    Who else should be on my shortlist?

    My listening material is predominantly bass-driven electronica with a side order of acoustic. So deep hard banging and gospel house, drum and bass, roots rockers reggae and dub with a bit of Alt - j and James Blake. It needs to sound huge, powerful but also delicate and musical. Bass extension and soundstaging are a close second to musicality on my wishlist. I don't like overly faffy record changing rituals, the two stage screw down clamp of my Avid was a no- no, and I plan to have at least two decks in order to keep the musical flow going.
    Current phono stage is a Boulder 1008, I missed the last 2008 by about a fortnight and will upgrade to the 2108 once it is released. With four arms on two decks another phonostage will be required tbd.
    Support is an Artesania Esoteric rack with tt shelf.

    My plan is to go with dual armboards so I can optimise one arm and cartridge for dance music and the other for acoustic.

    If I do go AF the mooted arm cartridge combos are:
    Sp10Mk3 NGS - Kuzma 4Point / Miyabi Fuuga for dance music
    -Schroeder CB-1 / Miyajima Madake for acoustic
    301 Statement - Ikeda 407 / Fuuga
    - Schroeder CB-1 / VanDenHul Colibri XGW

    Any opinions will be greatly appreciated
    Thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by infinitely baffled View Post

    I liked what I was hearing about Wave Kinetics decks, but was slightly put off by the lack of any dealers on my side of the pond.
    Who else should be on my shortlist?
    If you are interested in a direct drive another interesting one is Lumen White Mystere. Very less is more looking and seems to be the only direct drive with air bearing.

    Kind regards,
    Tang

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    Luvgav, IMHO if you're a massive bass driven fan like me, you really need to consider moving away from belt
    Look at idler or even rim
    The best vfm potential giant killer Id look at now if I was in the market is the Peter Reinders PTP Solid 12
    For all out assault consider the Saskia Ref 2
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    Quote Originally Posted by spiritofmusic View Post
    Luvgav, IMHO if you're a massive bass driven fan like me, you really need to consider moving away from belt
    Look at idler or even rim
    The best vfm potential giant killer Id look at now if I was in the market is the Peter Reinders PTP Solid 12
    For all out assault consider the Saskia Ref 2
    In the middle, the magnetic drive Kodo The Beat
    Marc, by "massive bass" are you talking about bass quantity or quality? And are results more about turntable drive typology or quality of implementation? I'm not sure owners of the AF one or two, or Kronos with the new power supply, both belt drive turntables, think their systems are lacking in the quality of bass reproduction.

    I don't listen to too much electronic bass music, but one example in my collection is Lorde's Pure Heroine. The bass - drive, impact, power, nuance, shadings - is amazing on my limited frequency two way speakers and belt drive table. I imagine it would be even more impressive on a full range system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tango View Post
    If you are interested in a direct drive another interesting one is Lumen White Mystere. Very less is more looking and seems to be the only direct drive with air bearing.

    Kind regards,
    Tang
    Hello Tang,
    thank you for your recommendation ☺
    I'm Going to research Lumen White Mystere now
    artisan fidelity garrard 301 statement / ikeda it407 / vdh colibri xgw
    kodo the beat
    wavac prt1
    boulder 2060, 1008
    focal stella utopia em3
    four velodyne dd18+ in stereo bass stacks
    yba cd1 delta 3box
    artesania esoteric
    entreq atlantis interconnects
    entreq olympus tellus
    dedicated mains straps for all components
    two vicoustic victotem behind speakers

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    Quote Originally Posted by spiritofmusic View Post
    Luvgav, IMHO if you're a massive bass driven fan like me, you really need to consider moving away from belt
    Look at idler or even rim
    The best vfm potential giant killer Id look at now if I was in the market is the Peter Reinders PTP Solid 12
    For all out assault consider the Saskia Ref 2
    In the middle, the magnetic drive Kodo The Beat
    Wotcha Marc, how's tricks?
    I'll be checking those out now.
    I have heard the received wisdom that idler and direct driven tt's offer something special in the bass department, hence my intetest
    gav
    artisan fidelity garrard 301 statement / ikeda it407 / vdh colibri xgw
    kodo the beat
    wavac prt1
    boulder 2060, 1008
    focal stella utopia em3
    four velodyne dd18+ in stereo bass stacks
    yba cd1 delta 3box
    artesania esoteric
    entreq atlantis interconnects
    entreq olympus tellus
    dedicated mains straps for all components
    two vicoustic victotem behind speakers

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Marc, by "massive bass" are you talking about bass quantity or quality? And are results more about turntable drive typology or quality of implementation? I'm not sure owners of the AF one or two, or Kronos with the new power supply, both belt drive turntables, think their systems are lacking in the quality of bass reproduction.

    I don't listen to too much electronic bass music, but one example in my collection is Lorde's Pure Heroine. The bass - drive, impact, power, nuance, shadings - is amazing on my limited frequency two way speakers and belt drive table. I imagine it would be even more impressive on a full range system.
    Hello Peter
    That's a really well sorted system you have there
    Congrats ☺

    I certainly wouldn't rule out belt drive. So far in my limited experience nothing has approached the mind boggling depth and solidity of the bass from my, belt driven, Cranfield Rock Reference turntable with a really good moving magnet cartridge
    (a Reson Rica, which was a heavily tweaked Goldring 1042)
    artisan fidelity garrard 301 statement / ikeda it407 / vdh colibri xgw
    kodo the beat
    wavac prt1
    boulder 2060, 1008
    focal stella utopia em3
    four velodyne dd18+ in stereo bass stacks
    yba cd1 delta 3box
    artesania esoteric
    entreq atlantis interconnects
    entreq olympus tellus
    dedicated mains straps for all components
    two vicoustic victotem behind speakers

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterA View Post
    Marc, by "massive bass" are you talking about bass quantity or quality? And are results more about turntable drive typology or quality of implementation?
    I agree, the OP's question is so difficult to answer I don’t see how someone can give a definite idler drive only answer. It is difficult to isolate these components too, unless one has owned multiple TT, arms and carts. And I think budget has not been specified here, which means there are multiple combos in play. Techdas definitely, but the phono matters here so much, Bill’s bass went up when he replaced his BMC with the Aesthetix IO Signature. Lyra Atlas has explosive bass, as would Ortofon A95 and Zyx, and tonearms would matter. The Ikeda definitely had more bass than the Thales, probably a heavier arm thing. So we can discuss everything from FR 64 to SAT, SS and valve phonos, belt, direct, and idler.

    IB, If your friend is looking at Artisan Fidelity, looks matter too. As that is art.

    The Audio Consulting battery powered TT is supposed to be dead silent and high on bass. Will try to hear it.

    Regarding the PTP Lenco Marc mentioned, I am scheduled to do a compare two Saturdays from now. But I am sure I won't be able to say if that is the bass standard
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    Just sharing my experience, I have directly compared a basic Rockport Capella II (ruby bearing, non-vacuum platter) with the 6000 airbearing arm, to a highly modified slate plinth Lenco with PTP 5 kit and Jeremy’s bearing (so pretty close to the PTP Solid 12 mentioned by Marc), and the Terminator airbearing arm.

    On macro dynamics alone, the modified Lenco really had the upper hand, and it seemed to have even better macro dynamic than direct drive like the Exclusive P3a. The only direct drive that I have auditioned that could rival the modified Lenco on this area maybe the Technics SP10MK3 (but I have not done any direct comparison between them).

    However, what it lags behind, as compared to other high grade belt drives and direct drives, are the finesse, micro dynamics, sound staging and layering of instruments within the sound stage. That could be due to the unavoidable higher vibration transfer from idler drive.

    To answer Peter’s question, in my experience, the modified Lenco had very good bass quantity, but not quality.

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