Socialized Medicine and Canada's Doctors

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Steve Williams

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As a physician, now happily retired, who was born and raised in Toronto and went to meds school there it was issues such as this that made me say enough is enough and I left because I just couldn't go to school for close to 30 years and consider myself a civil servant

Bottom line is that a socialized medicine patient card is like a credit card with no limit and it is the poor docs who are working in the trenches trying to eek out a living now have the government putting a cap on their income as well as a unilateral pay cut. This must be where Obama devised his ill conceived Obama care

What patients need to know about clawback

Dr. Mario Elia, Special to The London Free Press

Over the next few months, Ontario doctors are going to be subject to severe clawbacks from the Ontario government, and I want my patients to know exactly what will be happening, and why we’ve gotten to this point.

The Ontario government and Ontario doctors failed to come to a funding agreement in January 2015. Rather than opt for a fair, binding arbitration process, the government proceeded to unilaterally impose a 3.15% cut to all doctor services (on top of the 2.5% cut from 2012) and, most concerning, to set an arbitrary cap on total compensation to doctors.

For those who don’t understand how physicians are compensated, here’s a Coles Notes version. Some doctors are paid fees for services based on a fee schedule set out by the government. Do a specific service, get paid a specific amount. Simple. Some doctors get paid based on the number of patients on their roster. Again, the government has agreed on a specific amount to pay them per patient. Simple. Depending on the patients seen, or the roster size, the government pays doctors once a month the owed amount. Simple again.

But here is what the government has decided to impose on doctors. They have decided to cut all of the individual visit fees by a set percentage, as well as setting a cap on total billings by all doctors. If total billings by doctors provincewide go above this arbitrary upper limit, the province will claw back that money from all doctors. Remember those monthly payments? For a few months this winter, each doctor might be paid zero dollars. Staff and expenses will still need to be paid, and I’ll show up to work every day to care for you for free, and I will pay for all of this out of pocket.

Let that sink in for a second. The government has set specific fees that they pay physicians for certain tasks or responsibilities. But if demand from patients over the next year (aging population, immigrants, outbreaks, etc.) exceeds the cap, then the province will not pay for that extra care. Patient demand for care is largely out of the control of physicians, yet the government is dictating that any demand above its arbitrary cap won’t be paid for. Physicians will continue to see patients, and not be paid for it.

There is no maximum clawback. Could it be five per cent or 10 per cent? With an aging population requiring more care than ever before, we can’t possibly fathom how high demand might go. If the government decides that it wants to fund more surgeries or new clinics or new nursing homes or any new program, total physician billings will increase, and the government won’t have to pay a penny more than the cap it has set. More physicians providing more services, and far less pie to share.

This column isn’t meant to earn your sympathy because I know many of you are struggling financially and doctors are still well paid. But we are asking the government for a fair process. It refuses to let an independent third party decide on fair compensation through arbitration, choosing instead to impose its own cuts. Any other profession would go on strike, but doctors realize how much our patients need us, and we would never go on strike (nor are we allowed to by our regulatory college).

If the government continues to make these severe cuts, the only recourse doctors will have will be to retire or to leave the province. Many already have since the negotiations fell apart in January.

Family doctors will leave the province, since other provinces need family doctors just as much as Ontario does, and seem to value them more. Alberta’s doctors agreed to a seven-year deal in 2013. Manitoba’s doctors agreed to a four-year deal in 2015. Saskatchewan agreed to a four-year deal just last month worth a two-per-cent increase per year over four years. Even Quebec has come to an agreement with its general practitioners.

In the past few months, doctors across the country have seen the negotiations playing out in Ontario. No other province has unilaterally imposed cuts and changes on its doctors. What this means is very few doctors will come here for the foreseeable future. Wait lists will continue to grow, and fewer patients will have access to a family doctor.

We aren’t asking for raises. We want the government to agree to a binding arbitration process, and let a third party decide on a fair outcome. Please contact your MPP to let them know your feelings on this issue. We can’t afford to lose Ontario doctors because of the stubbornness of this government.



 

GaryProtein

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It's getting to the point where people going into medicine are going to have to truly be altruistic because there isn't going to be enough remuneration to offset their initial debts or time involved in their studies.

Medicine will end up losing the brightest and most capable people because they will go where they can earn a good living, be rewarded for their efforts and not have to work overtime for free.
 

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Having lived in Ontario for 10 years before moving to Boston, I got to watch both my parents suffer through the Canadian medical system, waiting months to get treatment for cancer. I was pretty disgusted. The Canadian system can be great in certain cases but they just don't have the resources to provide care to all who need it; they'll bend over backwards for young people who have cancer but they tend to de-prioritize older folks and any affliction that isn't life threatening. The average wait to get an MRI was 6 months when I lived there and often it didn't happen at all.
 

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The thing is, Canada's system is nothing like Obamacare. Obamacare uses private insurance companies and private doctors, clinics and hospitals. And if it works anything like Medicare, I managed my father's healthcare to his death at nearly 97. He got great service. Went to the best clinics and hospitals in town. And they kept my mother, at 85, alive weeks after surgery for an aortic aneurysm. No shuffling her off to death because at her age she wasn't worth the resources. Is medicare much better than the Affordable Care Act? If it is, there is a simple solution: Extend Medicare to the uninsured and small employers; eventually let large employers buy in.

Try to get that one through a Congress sponsored by insurance and drug companies.

Tim

PS: By the way, I'm on Obamacare and so far it's pretty much the same as any employer-provided insurance I ever had.
 

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not a socialized medicine fan---but the US has, on average, the highest paid doctors in the world. good thing you moved :)

the fact that everyone hates Obamacare means it probably is the right thing going forward. I'd love to see all employees moved to insurance exchanges to drive down prices.
 

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not a socialized medicine fan---but the US has, on average, the highest paid doctors in the world. good thing you moved :)

the fact that everyone hates Obamacare means it probably is the right thing going forward. I'd love to see all employees moved to insurance exchanges to drive down prices.

There are always 2 sides of a coin. Since Obamacare, my monthly premiums have steadily risen through employer based programs going from just over $300/month to just under $900/month. The deductible has doubled to 5k.

No thank you Mr Obama...

John
 

Steve Williams

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The thing is, Canada's system is nothing like Obamacare. Obamacare uses private insurance companies and private doctors, clinics and hospitals. And if it works anything like Medicare, I managed my father's healthcare to his death at nearly 97. He got great service. Went to the best clinics and hospitals in town. And they kept my mother, at 85, alive weeks after surgery for an aortic aneurysm. No shuffling her off to death because at her age she wasn't worth the resources. Is medicare much better than the Affordable Care Act? If it is, there is a simple solution: Extend Medicare to the uninsured and small employers; eventually let large employers buy in.

Try to get that one through a Congress sponsored by insurance and drug companies.

Tim

PS: By the way, I'm on Obamacare and so far it's pretty much the same as any employer-provided insurance I ever had.

Trust me Tim it is as I practiced through the changes in the socialized medicine scheme and there were initially private companies. I watched it evolve from OMSIP to OHSIP and OHIP. I have no idea what it is now.
 

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I thought we were going to avoid topics like this :confused:

Any comprehensive suggestions for health care reform that reduce costs while maintaining good standards of care would undoubtedly be welcomed by everyone except pharmaceutical companies, medical device makers and health insurance companies. Unfortunately, if any such suggestions exist they are at present closely held secrets.
 
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