YG Acoustics Carmel 2
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Barry,
Thanks for the heads up on Entreq. Will see about auditioning these
With the Carmel 2s, the unthinkable has happen! We got them playing (wonderfully) with a 50W tube amp
flez,
I'm glad you liked them. We had them (Carmel 2s) at the Newport show, and in spite of the irregular room, we got them sounding beautifully! Imaging and depth was off the charts good, and in the small confines of the hotel room, the system didn't lack bass at all! Of course, it helps we had the D'Agostino integrated playing them
alexandre
Thanks for the heads up on Entreq. Will see about auditioning these
With the Carmel 2s, the unthinkable has happen! We got them playing (wonderfully) with a 50W tube amp
flez,
I'm glad you liked them. We had them (Carmel 2s) at the Newport show, and in spite of the irregular room, we got them sounding beautifully! Imaging and depth was off the charts good, and in the small confines of the hotel room, the system didn't lack bass at all! Of course, it helps we had the D'Agostino integrated playing them
alexandre
so are you powering the kipods in class a or a/b? that is really interesting ... how large is your room? the carmel 2 is much harder to drive then the original, i noticed that right away. the 2s also throw a larger sound stage and layer things WAY better then the original. i don't notice bass going lower, but it is more detailed then the original.
Both but Class A for serious listening.
Class A benefits from a bit more volume but is no problem for the amp.
The room is 21x12x7.5 and the YGs are firing across the room in virtually the same placing as the Carmels.
The character of the sound is the same, but the Kipods deliver more of everything - transparency, scale, bass and dynamics in particular. A natural and coherent sound which is revealing but never etched or overly analytic.
The Entreq negative speaker terminal grounding to two Entreq Silver Minimus has given a significant improvement for a relatively modest outlay.
Class A benefits from a bit more volume but is no problem for the amp.
The room is 21x12x7.5 and the YGs are firing across the room in virtually the same placing as the Carmels.
The character of the sound is the same, but the Kipods deliver more of everything - transparency, scale, bass and dynamics in particular. A natural and coherent sound which is revealing but never etched or overly analytic.
The Entreq negative speaker terminal grounding to two Entreq Silver Minimus has given a significant improvement for a relatively modest outlay.
ok, cool. your room is very similar in size to mine ... mine is 20 x 10.5 x 7.5.
i will look into the entreq stuff for sure. thanks.
Carmel 2 with FMA and dCS in Japan.
I've heard Hailey with FMA 155 and 411 II - the best sound I've ever heard from YG.
I've heard Hailey with FMA 155 and 411 II - the best sound I've ever heard from YG.
I attended a demo of Carmel2, Soulution sacd player+Int amp and the Taralabs Grand Master Evolution cable series in Hong Kong a few weeks ago.
Very impressive performance! Allrounded but the bass quantity & quality are beyond compare for such a small enclosure size.
IMHO it's one of the best small floorstanders in the market.
http://www.hiendy.com/hififorum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=86236&extra=page=1
Very impressive performance! Allrounded but the bass quantity & quality are beyond compare for such a small enclosure size.
IMHO it's one of the best small floorstanders in the market.
http://www.hiendy.com/hififorum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=86236&extra=page=1
The cables must be more than the speakers
Yes, the demo was held for promoting the Taralabs cables. They are excellent, as expected.
But the performance of Carmel2 in that nearly 400 sq ft listening room was so impressive!
Taralabs stuff amazing for sure. I would like to compare Taralabs or even the higher end Kubala and compare to my Kimber 6063. It's hard to imagine it gets better then what the 6063 can do but maybe its possible.
I don't understand systems where the individual components cost more then then speakers ... but I guess that is one way to do it. I would much rather have the larger YGs in that system (better bass, dynamics, resolution, etc.).
What is that base the Carmel 2s are on? Is it something for vibration control or just used to increase the height of speaker?
Is it me?
I'm normally tolerant and laid back about reviewers and their views, but I am really struggling with John Atkinson's review of the YG Carmel 2s in the latest issue of Stereophile.
His conclusions are so at odds with every other review/comments on the Carmel 2 that I am really sceptical about it and more than a tad suspicious.
Now let me declare an interest as a former owner of Carmel 1s and now Kipod Signature passives, but even with what I believe is a generally open and tolerant approach to others' views I really am struggling with this review.
I'm normally tolerant and laid back about reviewers and their views, but I am really struggling with John Atkinson's review of the YG Carmel 2s in the latest issue of Stereophile.
His conclusions are so at odds with every other review/comments on the Carmel 2 that I am really sceptical about it and more than a tad suspicious.
Now let me declare an interest as a former owner of Carmel 1s and now Kipod Signature passives, but even with what I believe is a generally open and tolerant approach to others' views I really am struggling with this review.
To me, his comments about the speaker lacking bass are backed up by the measurements. They shelf down below 150hz.
It is funny that he admits he listens in a room with 250ms RT60 decay time from midbass and up and even less than that at higher frequencies. I like a lower decay room too. But that's an over damped room for most types of music. Maybe he's secretly a speed metal fan.
The lateral off axis isn't as smooth as the Anat or Sonja. The Carmel is a good speaker. I used to own one too. But he's correct that it lacks bass. But I am not sure it's supposed to be a great speaker for bass anyway.
It is funny that he admits he listens in a room with 250ms RT60 decay time from midbass and up and even less than that at higher frequencies. I like a lower decay room too. But that's an over damped room for most types of music. Maybe he's secretly a speed metal fan.
The lateral off axis isn't as smooth as the Anat or Sonja. The Carmel is a good speaker. I used to own one too. But he's correct that it lacks bass. But I am not sure it's supposed to be a great speaker for bass anyway.
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No, he's not correct, as every single other reviewer (and everybody else's ears too) can attest.
His choice of amps were questionable at best. You just can't pair a moderate-to-hard to drive $24000 speaker with a $2000 tube amp. That's basic stuff.
I still can't believe that review. Now, more than ever, if JA ever likes a product, I'll run away in the other direction.
His choice of amps were questionable at best. You just can't pair a moderate-to-hard to drive $24000 speaker with a $2000 tube amp. That's basic stuff.
I still can't believe that review. Now, more than ever, if JA ever likes a product, I'll run away in the other direction.
He used a several SS amp and then switched a tube integrated. There was no difference in the bass. The Carmel is the easiest speaker to driver in the YG line-up. Apparently, there's a resonance between 600-800hz which made piano music sound colored to him. But he didn't have any measurements which back that up. Those were the two main complainant's.
There is no such resonance. YG has measurements taken at an outside facility that shows that. And of course, you can also hear that there is no such resonance.
He used the roughly $2000 tube integrated for the evaluation, after all the questionable SS amps didn't cut it, in his estimation. It's not only a question of price, really, as we've used the Carmel 2s with the $3500 Hegel H160 and it was fantastic.
He used the roughly $2000 tube integrated for the evaluation, after all the questionable SS amps didn't cut it, in his estimation. It's not only a question of price, really, as we've used the Carmel 2s with the $3500 Hegel H160 and it was fantastic.
Well, I was just in the store this morning, when this Jimi track came up on our Aurender. It sounded pretty good, with very decent, solid bass. So I grabbed my trusty iPhone 6 and made a little video.
Bear in mind these speakers are in a room where normally a much bigger YG Sonja 1.3 sit, and they were played with a darTZeel, not exactly a bass monster. The video was recorded with an iPhone 6, at the listening position.
[video]https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=564124373744698[/video]
Bear in mind these speakers are in a room where normally a much bigger YG Sonja 1.3 sit, and they were played with a darTZeel, not exactly a bass monster. The video was recorded with an iPhone 6, at the listening position.
[video]https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=564124373744698[/video]
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