Vertere Arm on AF1 Table!
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Are those Gryphon's new flagship speakers in the background?
Touraj is making funny gestures again
Touraj is making funny gestures again
Which arm is it usually demoed with? I've seen photos of this table with lots of different arms on it, including SME, Durand, Graham.
Are those Gryphon's new flagship speakers in the background?
Touraj is making funny gestures again
Yes, Jack. Those speakers are the Pendragons.
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I had that combination for a few days last CES, and I thought that it was the best analog set-up I've heard - even though both the AFO and the Vertere arm were just prototypes. I'm sure that the production version of both are even better!!
http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...d-Vertere-Reference-Tonearm&highlight=vertere
Too bad he doesn't maximize the AF1's performance by using the HRS custom platform along with an active isolation device. I remember Gary asking Nishakawa-san if active isolation would improve the AF1's performance. He replied it was not necessary. Based on my own testing, it is necessary to maximize the performance of the table. I know, I am starting to sound like a broken record.
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Too bad he doesn't maximize the AF1's performance by using the HRS custom platform along with an active isolation device. I remember Gary asking Nishakawa-san if active isolation would improve the AF1's performance. He replied it was not necessary. Based on my own testing, it is necessary to maximize the performance of the table. I know, I am starting to sound like a broken record.
As a 25 year reviewer I can confidently say that every table I have tested or set up in another reviewer's or phile's home benefits/detracts from the platform being used.
Too bad he doesn't maximize the AF1's performance by using the HRS custom platform along with an active isolation device. I remember Gary asking Nishakawa-san if active isolation would improve the AF1's performance. He replied it was not necessary. Based on my own testing, it is necessary to maximize the performance of the table. I know, I am starting to sound like a broken record.
Christian,
Did you try the HRS platform UNDER the active device? The Herzan active vibration control system uses feedback servo-control with piezo accelerometers - just like my woofers, but the objective there is to cancel vibration by generating an equal and opposite signal. There MUST be some envelop of frequency and amplitude where the control system is designed for. The Table Stable uses metal springs for broad spectrum control and the active system for what they call "sub-hertz" control.
As the HRS platform has compliant feet and vibration absorption technology, I have to expect that there would be some cancellation of the effectiveness of the Table Stable, or at least some interaction between the two. The constraint-layer damped platform I designed for the AFO for last CES (which dmnc02 has) should work better between the Table Stable and the AFO. You should at least try using the AFO directly on the Table Stable, and then try the HRS under the Table Stable.
I'm happy using my CMS QXKs. Unfortunately I'm almost a foot shorter than Christian so cuing would be at nose level if I added a Herzan Then again I could check VTA while standing straight! LOL!
Then again I could check VTA while standing straight! LOL!
+1 I heard the results between Gary's shelf and the HRS shelf under the AF1 as well.
I did not, the main reason being, the TechDAS will not fit on the TS-140. Part of the motor foot(s) would have to hang off the side. The other issue is motor creep. When the motor is positioned in the dished feet cups on the platform, the motor does not move at all. I was concerned about the supposed canceling effect. There really isn't any. The TechDAS motor throws off a lot of vibration. You can see it on the TS-140 vibration graphs for 2 horizontals on one vertical. The motor actually makes a very periodic sign wave type vibration in the vertical and one horizontal plane. The TS 140 senses this vibration through the HRS platform. I forget to turn it on many times when I first start listening, then I realize I am not hearing the transparency and bass control and flick it on. It is not a subtle improvement. I think Mike L has also confirmed that a passive device on top of the TS-140 yields more benefits that not using it. I have to agree with him based on my own experience.
Yes - that was where I thought that getting the AFO off the HRS platform would help. Because the platform has a one-piece top, and the cut-outs tightly couple the motor's feet and the turntable's feet (so that the motor doesn't creep), that is a good path where the vibration can travel. I'm sure that the TS140 senses this vibration through the HRS platform and cancels it out. I just thought that it might work better without the de-coupling feet between the vibration and the TS140. It's just a thought.
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