Placebo Audio Thought Piece

beaur · Dec 12, 2013

Here's yet another piece about the "placebo" effect of audio;

http://www.anxiousmachine.com/blog/2013/12/10/placibo-philes

MylesBAstor · Dec 13, 2013

Definitely definitive.

Phelonious Ponk · Dec 13, 2013

MylesBAstor said:
Definitely definitive.

Definitively definite. It's kind of like trusting your ears, believing in things like sighted bias and placebo effect...no, wait a minute...there's tons of scientific evidence supporting the reality of sighted bias and placebo effect...I guess it's not much like trusting your ears at all.

Tim

mep · Dec 13, 2013

It's just one man's opinion that has little real thought behind it. It would be funny though if wine snobs couldn't tell the difference between red and white wines.

Orb · Dec 13, 2013

Although it would be interesting to see the wine tasting/mOFC/expectation-marketing bias test done with the senior professional vinyard blenders who are tasked with tasting and blending sold products on a daily basis.

My money is the result will not match the results recorded with "normal" tasters/drinkers, probably find they feel all the drinks are crud

Cheers
Orb

audioguy · Dec 13, 2013

Apparently expectation bias is recognized in wine tasting. That is, if we know it costs more, we enjoy it more. Even though the differences disappear in blind taste tests. But in our world (high end audio) sighted tests are said to not create expectations, and hence are completely valid for determining the quality of a component.

I guess audiophiles are a lot smarter than wine connoisseurs!!

MylesBAstor · Dec 13, 2013

Phelonious Ponk said:
Definitively definite. It's kind of like trusting your ears, believing in things like sighted bias and placebo effect...no, wait a minute...there's tons of scientific evidence supporting the reality of sighted bias and placebo effect...I guess it's not much like trusting your ears at all.

Tim

Tell us Tim. How do you choose a musical instrument? Do you do DBT tests and measure it's FR?

thedudeabides · Dec 13, 2013

Innuendos, veiled comments with an agenda, etc. Groundhog Day anyone?

It's threads and subsequent comments above that caused me to stop posting on this website a year or so ago. I know of others that feel the same and no longer post.

Why does this continue to happen? It's not healthy and counterproductive to the best interests of this site. Please grow up.

Just a thought.

GG

Gregadd · Dec 14, 2013

Bias is only one factor to be accounted for.. Not even

The most important one..

Phelonious Ponk · Dec 14, 2013

mep said:
It's just one man's opinion that has little real thought behind it. It would be funny though if wine snobs couldn't tell the difference between red and white wines.

MylesBAstor said:
Tell us Tim. How do you choose a musical instrument? Do you do DBT tests and measure it's FR?

No I play them and listen to them and do not try to deny that I am as influenced by the look and feel of them as I am by the sound.

Tim

Johnny Vinyl · Dec 14, 2013

Phelonious Ponk said:
No I play them and listen to them and do not try to deny that I am as influenced by the look and feel of them as I am by the sound.

Tim

That's about as honest an answer as I've read! Yes, you can call me biased as well!

audioguy · Dec 14, 2013

Johnny Vinyl said:
That's about as honest an answer as I've read! Yes, you can call me biased as well!

There is nothing wrong about being biased. Everyone is but some refuse to admit it.

microstrip · Dec 14, 2013

audioguy said:
There is nothing wrong about being biased. Everyone is but some refuse to admit it.

Surely. Also some pretend to transmute their mundane knowledge about bias in audio knowledge. IMHO, when someone needs to use wine analogies to write about the problem of bias in sound reproduction it usually just means he is only superficially and most probably incorrectly addressing the issue.

Happily in real life most people manage to get a reasonable equilibrium between those conflicting needs - the presence of bias and the need to make choices in meaningful conditions.

mep · Dec 14, 2013

microstrip said:
Surely. Also some pretend to transmute their mundane knowledge about bias in audio knowledge. IMHO, when someone needs to use wine analogies to write about the problem of bias in sound reproduction it usually just means he is only superficially and most probably incorrectly addressing the issue.

Happily in real life most people manage to get a reasonable equilibrium between those conflicting needs - the presence of bias and the need to make choices in meaningful conditions.

Unless you are biased against making those type of decisions.

Old Listener · Dec 14, 2013

When I read the thread title "Placebo Audio Thought Piece", I thought that Placebo Audio was the name of a high-end audio company. It was worth a laugh.

microstrip · Dec 14, 2013

Old Listener said:
When I read the thread title "Placebo Audio Thought Piece", I thought that Placebo Audio was the name of a high-end audio company. It was worth a laugh.

As I read the tittle in a careless way I also was expecting something about Placette Audio http://www.placetteaudio.com/.

They manufacture great line stages, passive and active.

Gregadd · Jan 9, 2014

Yes no one is bothered by their own bias provided they even acknowledge it as such. Usually they think they are right. It is the other person's bias offered in support of a conclusion they disagree with that pi
sses them off.

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