Doesn't thermodynamics tell us it's converted into heat?
Yup. The most extreme example I've seen were these monks in Tibet wrapped in cloth being doused with cold water. They chant and the cloth actually begins to steam. I love Discovery Channel.
Doesn't thermodynamics tell us it's converted into heat?
Andre, could you describe how a ringing driver sounds to you? Some speaker designers want inert cabinets and some want resonating cabinets. Even though musical instruments and human bodies all resonate, does this mean that a speaker must also resonate for the music to sound real?
A speaker is transducing? an electrical signal into sound waves. An instrument and body are doing something very different.
Doesn't thermodynamics tell us it's converted into heat?
The sound I heard from the Magico Q series is a very fine metallic scrim that permeates the music. Many listeners will not bothered by it.
No, just because instruments resonate does not mean a speaker must to sound real. There are many ways to skin a cat. I am definitely not
an absolutist.
Andre, a ringing driver sounds like a "fine metallic scrim that permeates the music"? Do you attribute this to the driver material or the ringing caused by inert cabinets?
Very good question. Answer: both. The fact that the Q series cabinet is so inert, it does not absorb any of the driver ringing which would make
it much more benign.
Of course, I want to be clear this is in my opinion. I am sure Alon Wolf and Jon Valin disagree.
I also must say that the Q series has many virtues, among them, uncanny resolution.
But I heard this fundamental characteristic across the Q3, Q5, and Q7 in numerous demos, with a variety of
partnering electronics. It's clearly there.
Andre, a "fine metallic scrim" that permeates the music is what I also hear when I listen to the Focal tweet that Wilson used to use in all their speakers. Perhaps this "distortion" ( which I think is probably what we are listening to) is typical of all metal dome tweeter's. I have not heard a metal dome that doesn't exhibit this issue to some extent or other. I think it becomes far more obvious when AB'ed against a good silk dome or ribbon tweeter. BTW, when I had the pleasure of hearing the Polymer speaker's a few ago, I think the same could be said for them...although the "metallic scrim" was less obvious BUT extended into the mids as well. I wonder if that had anything to do with that speaker's diamond driver's or in this instance to the all metallic cabinet
Very good question. Answer: both. The fact that the Q series cabinet is so inert, it does not absorb any of the driver ringing which would make
it much more benign.
Of course, I want to be clear this is in my opinion. I am sure Alon Wolf and Jon Valin disagree.
I also must say that the Q series has many virtues, among them, uncanny resolution.
But I heard this fundamental characteristic across the Q3, Q5, and Q7 in numerous demos, with a variety of
partnering electronics. It's clearly there.
Very good question. Answer: both. The fact that the Q series cabinet is so inert, it does not absorb any of the driver ringing which would make
it much more benign.
Of course, I want to be clear this is in my opinion. I am sure Alon Wolf and Jon Valin disagree.
I also must say that the Q series has many virtues, among them, uncanny resolution.
But I heard this fundamental characteristic across the Q3, Q5, and Q7 in numerous demos, with a variety of
partnering electronics. It's clearly there.
This is another example illustrating that we all hear differently. "It's clearly there" to your ears. I have heard all three of those Q speakers and never heard what you are describing.
I haven't either but there are people Peter who do hear ringing with certain metal tweeters (mine included even though I can't hear it)
So maybe rather than a blessing in disguise it is more of a curse like the rainbow effect with older DLP projectors
Fair enough. I made it a point to spend a LOT of hours with the Magico Q series, as it was a product line I had heard much about.
I only did so with music that I brought with me that I was intimately familiar with. I refuse to listen to unfamiliar music when evaluating
a high profile product.
Would you deny that ALL material has its own unique sonic virtues? Would it be odd to suggest that those Nano-Tec drivers (Rohacell and Carbon fiber)
have a sonic personality just as paper or ceramic does?
In the end, you are right, it is a matter of taste. But I stand by what I heard.
I don't question that you hear what you hear. We all hear differently and we have different priorities. I would certainly not deny that all materials have their own unique sonic character, virtues or otherwise. I hope that I did not say something like: In the end, it is a matter of taste. That may often be the case, but here, I was simply talking about what I heard and not questioning what you heard. There is no "taste" involved.
Please do stand by what you heard. I don't question you having heard it. And I guess many others have heard it too.
Now, turning to taste, I do like some speakers' sound more than I do others. Sometimes I attribute that to materials, sometimes I don't really know what it is about a design that makes it sound the way it does to my ears. I don't have the background, experience or knowledge to know that.
I also try to bring familiar source material to auditions. It certainly helps one to understand what he is hearing.
wow, so I thought this was a EA vs KEF thread, but instead has become a Wilson and Magico slam fest. Those who think these tweeters (metal) sound shrill need to examine the source components delivering the music to these speakers. As is the usual case, the supposed authorities have never had these speakers in their own system or stating opinions based on word of mouth or limited experience in an un-optimized show setting. My X-2's deliver the source uncolored in all it's glory. Nothing shrill in my system.
wow, so I thought this was a EA vs KEF thread, but instead has become a Wilson and Magico slam fest. Those who think these tweeters (metal) sound shrill need to examine the source components delivering the music to these speakers. As is the usual case, the supposed authorities have never had these speakers in their own system or stating opinions based on word of mouth or limited experience in an un-optimized show setting. My X-2's deliver the source uncolored in all it's glory. Nothing shrill in my system.
FWIW Christian there are many people who hear ringing from the inverted titanium dome tweeter and it has nothing to do with the source components. DaveyF is one who hears it. Also many women hear it. I don't.
I haven't either but there are people Peter who do hear ringing with certain metal tweeters (mine included even though I can't hear it)
So maybe rather than a blessing in disguise it is more of a curse like the rainbow effect with older DLP projectors
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