In another thread, someone asked me what the standard claims of objectivsts where. So I created one for them. I thought it would be fun to have such an "official" list just for fun. Let me repeat again: this is for fun! Do NOT argue the points. Just vote as to what should or should not be in the list.
Help me create the arguments for the other side:
Objectivist claims:
1. All competently designed equipment sounds the same.
2. No one has proven there is a difference between, you pick the component, and another brand.
3. Unless your testing is ABX, and statistically valid and perfect, your evaluation is useless.
4. Digital audio is perfect. If the audio gets to the other side of the link, it will sound the same no matter what.
5. Digital cables make no difference. It is all ones and zeros so doesn't matter what the cable does if the data gets to the other side.
6. LP is full of distortion and there is now way it could ever sound as good let alone better than digital.
7. You have to be a bat to hear the improvement from higher sampling and resolution than CD.
8. THD is king. If it is very small, then you are assured that your system is 100% transparent to the source.
9. We love measurements (see #8). But some measurements are too good. They measure things that are not audible. So we must ignore them.
10. I don't care what you have said, IT IS ALL WRONG! You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
11. ABX tests have proven everything we need to know. There is nothing unknown about audibility of equipment.
12. You are stupid if you think paying more gets you more quality.
13. What you subjectivists prefer is actually coloration, not increased fidelity.
14. Your cables are tone control if you think they are improving your sound.
15. [I have never designed any hardware but] I am confident that they work this way, and not the way you think.
16. Ethan's favorite: there are only 3 (?) things you need to know about an audio system and once you know that, you know everything.
17. And for debater in the camp who has run out of technical arguments: That's a straw-man argument, you are playing victim, I dare you to answer that, etc., etc.
18. High-end vendors are all thieves and cheats, out to rip off simple-minded audiophiles.
19. [pointing to an exposed view of a high-end box]: It has nothing in it that would cost $X. And some of what it has is not high-end at all. I know, I design RF circuits for a living and I know that is wrong.
20. If it is published/presented at AES, it must be true: "it was peer reviewed."
21. Prove to me it is audible or I won't let you say anything else.
22. It is all very simple to do. That you say it can't be done in a cheap box means you don't know what you are talking about.
23. And this latest one: Let's get JJ to come and set you straight.
24. You don't need much power in your amplifier. Average music is just 1 or 2 watts [put your favorite numbers in there].
25. Negative feedback is great. The people who don't use it when designing amps don't know what they are doing.
26. Audiophile magazines are shills for high-end companies.
27. The audiophile reviewers are crooks, always searching for the next loaner piece of equipment. Don't believe anything they have to say.
I will edit this post and keep it current.
Again, this is meant to have fun. If you at all feel angst, do not post. I will delete the thread if folks create a food fight .
Help me create the arguments for the other side:
Objectivist claims:
1. All competently designed equipment sounds the same.
2. No one has proven there is a difference between, you pick the component, and another brand.
3. Unless your testing is ABX, and statistically valid and perfect, your evaluation is useless.
4. Digital audio is perfect. If the audio gets to the other side of the link, it will sound the same no matter what.
5. Digital cables make no difference. It is all ones and zeros so doesn't matter what the cable does if the data gets to the other side.
6. LP is full of distortion and there is now way it could ever sound as good let alone better than digital.
7. You have to be a bat to hear the improvement from higher sampling and resolution than CD.
8. THD is king. If it is very small, then you are assured that your system is 100% transparent to the source.
9. We love measurements (see #8). But some measurements are too good. They measure things that are not audible. So we must ignore them.
10. I don't care what you have said, IT IS ALL WRONG! You don't have a clue what you are talking about.
11. ABX tests have proven everything we need to know. There is nothing unknown about audibility of equipment.
12. You are stupid if you think paying more gets you more quality.
13. What you subjectivists prefer is actually coloration, not increased fidelity.
14. Your cables are tone control if you think they are improving your sound.
15. [I have never designed any hardware but] I am confident that they work this way, and not the way you think.
16. Ethan's favorite: there are only 3 (?) things you need to know about an audio system and once you know that, you know everything.
17. And for debater in the camp who has run out of technical arguments: That's a straw-man argument, you are playing victim, I dare you to answer that, etc., etc.
18. High-end vendors are all thieves and cheats, out to rip off simple-minded audiophiles.
19. [pointing to an exposed view of a high-end box]: It has nothing in it that would cost $X. And some of what it has is not high-end at all. I know, I design RF circuits for a living and I know that is wrong.
20. If it is published/presented at AES, it must be true: "it was peer reviewed."
21. Prove to me it is audible or I won't let you say anything else.
22. It is all very simple to do. That you say it can't be done in a cheap box means you don't know what you are talking about.
23. And this latest one: Let's get JJ to come and set you straight.
24. You don't need much power in your amplifier. Average music is just 1 or 2 watts [put your favorite numbers in there].
25. Negative feedback is great. The people who don't use it when designing amps don't know what they are doing.
26. Audiophile magazines are shills for high-end companies.
27. The audiophile reviewers are crooks, always searching for the next loaner piece of equipment. Don't believe anything they have to say.
I will edit this post and keep it current.
Again, this is meant to have fun. If you at all feel angst, do not post. I will delete the thread if folks create a food fight .