Marc, thank you v much for being a beta tester. You confirmed my suspicions re platform shelf interface. One remark though - it is not nylon, mylord, it's all teflon 
Cheers
Jarek
Cheers
Jarek
A world first? Passive v active isolation platforms test
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Jarek, I stand corrected.
As you stand corrected too, it's not "mylord", but "Milord" or as I'm known to those who love and serve me, "My Lord".
As you stand corrected too, it's not "mylord", but "Milord" or as I'm known to those who love and serve me, "My Lord".
Anyhow Jarek, as I've reported to you, it's been a worthwhile upgrade.
Hard footer way better than soft.
Just a more subtle level of loveliness.
Hard footer way better than soft.
Just a more subtle level of loveliness.
Thank you Marc! We ll also make a trial set out of a semi hardened steel /the hardest steel that can be normally machinned/
Lets see how it compares to the mod teflon
you seem to.prefer right now.
Cheers
Jarek
Lets see how it compares to the mod teflon
you seem to.prefer right now.
Cheers
Jarek
Makes sense Jarek.
Eg, any footer that's soft btwn component and Stacore really clouds the effect.
My hard Symposium footers are v suitable for Stacore use, and I'm thinking hard metal discs as footers for the platform itself will be consistent too.
Eg, any footer that's soft btwn component and Stacore really clouds the effect.
My hard Symposium footers are v suitable for Stacore use, and I'm thinking hard metal discs as footers for the platform itself will be consistent too.
Have been testing four footers variations for the Stacore Advanced platform.
V easy to install - component off, deflate Stacore, turn it on it’s side, unscrew old footers, screw on new ones, set up.
1- stock plastic footers, sound fine, this is the one that came as standard w the platform, and so no complaint
2- soft plastic footers, no good, a loss of focus, bass not tight
3- hard Teflon footers, more like it! The opposite of the soft footers, bass tight and tuneful again, treble more extended
4- metal footers, now we’re motoring, a real upstick in liveliness, bass extra vibrant, treble shimmering
5- metal footers w hard Teflon washers, I wasn’t prepared for this - bass bloat is practically gone, smear around tom toms, tympani, kick drums, plucked bass notes is non existent, indeed bass isn’t present until it’s there, and then there is no lack of extension, and treble energy/articulation/shimmer is abundant and never ending.
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This is not the kind of phenomenon I’ve heard w other isolation devices where it’s all leading edge dominant or upper bass resonance band enhancing. It’s a natural extension of what the Stacores have done so much in my system, just pulling together more clarity in the musical message.
V easy to install - component off, deflate Stacore, turn it on it’s side, unscrew old footers, screw on new ones, set up.
1- stock plastic footers, sound fine, this is the one that came as standard w the platform, and so no complaint
2- soft plastic footers, no good, a loss of focus, bass not tight
3- hard Teflon footers, more like it! The opposite of the soft footers, bass tight and tuneful again, treble more extended
4- metal footers, now we’re motoring, a real upstick in liveliness, bass extra vibrant, treble shimmering
5- metal footers w hard Teflon washers, I wasn’t prepared for this - bass bloat is practically gone, smear around tom toms, tympani, kick drums, plucked bass notes is non existent, indeed bass isn’t present until it’s there, and then there is no lack of extension, and treble energy/articulation/shimmer is abundant and never ending.
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This is not the kind of phenomenon I’ve heard w other isolation devices where it’s all leading edge dominant or upper bass resonance band enhancing. It’s a natural extension of what the Stacores have done so much in my system, just pulling together more clarity in the musical message.
Cdp on one, Westwick balanced transformer on the other.
I’m aiming for 7-8 Stacores in total to cover all my gear.
It’s an addiction, no doubt on that one.
I’m aiming for 7-8 Stacores in total to cover all my gear.
It’s an addiction, no doubt on that one.
Marc, that is very interesting. To what do these footers attach? In the case of my Vibraplane, the footers per se are in fact the air bladder pneumatic feet themselves, so there is no option to change footers and if I could, the air bladder would isolate the footer effect from the component on the platform anyway. The Vibraplane chassis is floating on these pneumatic feet and does not make contact with the supporting rack.
Could you explain how and where the footers attach to the Stacore chassis and then where and how the air bladders are connected? I don't seem to understand how the Stacore's individual components are arranged. The Vibraplane seems fundamentally different.
Peter, the fixed pods at each corner have threads that allow the screwing in of footers. The footers are flat discs so they don’t take the place of the pods, just provide different interfaces w the floor.
I find it totally fascinating that with 95kg of slate mass loading and pneumatic isolation, such a difference in presentation can be had with four 2.5cm diameter S crew-in footers, each one only 1mm thick.
The Stacores have really been a revelation in my system, these footers are now taking neutrality to a whole other level.
The Stacores have really been a revelation in my system, these footers are now taking neutrality to a whole other level.
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You should find it fascinating. I've been experimenting with a combination of mag-lev and cup and ball for over 10 years now. Depending on: 1) The load. 2) The position of the load. I can 'tune' the sound I get. Much the way that you are finding that you can tune the sound with the footers and pucks. It is fascinating and by the same token infuriating. The mystery of how turntables interact with the surface they sit-on. The surface that the item(ie the turntable) is sitting on, the surface that the support sits on and the structure of the building are intertwined. Very few people even believe these effects are possible, let alone take any time to investigate them, let alone take the time to attempt to optimise this situation.
What's Best is one of the few sites where I can discuss this without a horde of trolls coming to attack. It takes a very good system to reveal these effects, but at the level of a very good system, it is obvious that these effects need to be taken into account.
Oh yeah, one more thing. After 10 years(and more) I have much improved sound quality, but if you think that I have gotten to the bottom of what is taking place.......
Dear Spirit,
When I was trying to test neutrality of an arm, i used three different arms and one same cart. I put this cart on all three arms and tried to find sonic commons and uncommons that the three arms have on one particular cart to determine which seems to be most neutral. And also compare these finding with other people's comments on the cart. Then I repeat the whole process with another cart.
No negative thinking on your observation. How do you test the "neutrality" of a Stacore and the footer?
Kind regards,
Tang
Marc, for the avoidance of doubt, you are talking about changing the footers underneath, and screwed into, the bottom of the Stacore platform, correct? (You are not talking about changing the feet under individual components.)
What does Jarek advise at the optimal footer for the Stacore platforms? Does Stacore offer alternative feet as an optional upgrade?
Francisco, the Stacores are a combination isolation platform, in my system the mix providing a definite performance upstick over active platforms.
95kg mass loading, predominately from slate (main chassis plus additional top shelf), constrained layer materials (slate plus undisclosed secret sauce), 3 pneumatic pumps, Rollerball-type isolation btwn chassis and top shelf.
95kg mass loading, predominately from slate (main chassis plus additional top shelf), constrained layer materials (slate plus undisclosed secret sauce), 3 pneumatic pumps, Rollerball-type isolation btwn chassis and top shelf.
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