New Tesla Model S Now the Quickest Production Car in the World

Your model/analysis is again based on a Petrol ecology. Petrol is a wasteful way to produce energy. There is no way around it. BTW you would be lucky to get 33% out of a coal (or fossil-based) Power plant but I can let you have it. You do have to start somewhere and since our cars are themselves heavy polluter it does make sense to use the available electricity produced by the electrical system to charge them ... Electric Cars simply rely on electricity whatever it source be it wind, coal , sun or atom-based. So this analysis is flawed...
I could grant you that battery ( I don't know much about magnet) and perhaps magnet manufacturing are is at this juncture energy intensive... The notion of equating energy to petrol thus non-green is ingrained but many countries are weaning themselves from Petrol ...An example is Germany and they are looking at 80% from renewable ( non-Petrol) by 2050 which is even in Human terms around the corner: 30 years away. Today France derives 75% of its Electricity from Nuclear 3/4 !!!! from nuclear ... Something about which the USA was for a time a leader but has fallen so far back it is beyond appalling for such a energy-intensive culture ....No! Nuclear comes with its own problems but the energy density of it is IMO very attractive and IMO should be considered in a country such as the USA...
Now the emotion attached to cars is understandable but not a "natural" thing. It has come to be part of the American culture, perhaps as much as buying a horse or a carriage might have been in the past. At the core of it is the freedom it bestows its owner, that of going anywhere anytime.. This can and will change. in many countries mostly European and even in some American cities ( Manhattan) owning a car is seen by many , even well-heeled as superfluous.
Again the subsidies you are talking are not for Tesla. I am not knowledgeable about subsidies but you would be quite surprised to know how much fossil itself is subsidised to the tunes of $52 Billions a year perhaps more, Forbes ( not a magazine you would equate with Liberals ) has recently estimates the real subisdiary to be more than $200 Billions as per this article https://www.forbes.com/sites/ucener...el-subsidy-youve-never-heard-of/#18ea9631652b .
Those more knowledgeable are free to correct and educate me on the matter) ... I believe the amount for renewable is much less ... about 15.4 Billions...

Here in the us we still use mostly fossil fuel to produce electricity. The only thing that makes charging an electric car make sense is if it's done off peak hours. I've studied renewable energy in engineering school, and worked for Vestas Wind Turbines designing their Nacelle and Hub factory in Brighton CO so I'm very much for renewable energy technology that actually makes sense.

Nuclear doesn't make sense at all for many reasons. I'd rather have coal to be honest.

I still maintain that if you think a Tesla makes environmental sense you're deluding yourself. It's just not as simple as the fact it doesn't burn gas.
 
Bob, I don't know about the per kilowatt cost. I can say that we installed a 240 line in our garage and we get 30 miles for each hour of charging. Our 75 D fully charged has a range of 260 or so miles. For our regular use we plug it in when it gets to about 180. On trips we use Tesla super chargers. It fully charges the car in 20 to 25 minutes. There are such chargers all over the country. Tesla is to triple the number of chargers in the next year. Have only used the car for long trips to NYC and Long Island. There are several chargers on LI and stations on either side of the New Jersey Turnpike so that is not an issue. Take a bathroom break, stretch your legs and get a bite to eat and off you go, fully charged. Not an issue at all. As an aside, you can't pump your own gas in New Jersey so you have at times to wait in long lines to get gas at the Turnpike rest stops. The car monitors the power and will plan a route to the nearest charger for you. Works very well. As for the Honda Fit, I would bet that anyone who tests drives one and a Model 3, will choose the 3. Totally different experiences. I hope to have a 3 early next year and trade in the E350. Oh and as for the batteries, Tesla is building a huge facility in Sparks Nevada which will be the largest building by volume in the world. The whole roof is covered with solar panels and the building will be operated via solar and battery storage. They will name more lithium batteries there by a factor of 2 then the rest of the world.

Thanks Joe, that is perfect, just the type of information I was inquiring about.

* When you supercharge it, they charge 0.40 cents per minute? Twenty minutes that would be $8
And @ home, on 240V for nine hours (full charge)...just a guess...perhaps $20-40? I have no idea, maybe someone here is good in maths for each region?

Gas is very expensive here (premium is $1.40/1.50* per liter) where I live, and so car's insurances (average is $1,316/year). That includes the 43% discount for safe driving (no accidents). We are hit harshly by the oil's and insurance's monopoles. This would make a good subject of global conversation on the state of the affairs and businesses, +++

* 4.54609 Canadian liters per gallon. So one gallon of gas (@ $1.50/liter) is $6.819135
And all the vehicles I had in my life (including 4x4 trucks) averaged 6 to 20 miles per gallon (combined).
And if I was going to mentioned the costs of repairs, transmissions, tires, etc., the figures are (some) in the five digits!
It is a luxury, a privilege to own/drive a car, a truck, a power boat, ...and three or more, fuel's driven machines.
Some trucks with dual fuel tanks cost more than $240 to fill up! And you run out of gas before 400 miles!
It is much cheaper to fly.

** Tesla: A range of 260 miles is not bad, I would like to see twice that, or 500 miles say. ...In the future, with more advanced batteries.
Some cars get 80 miles to the gallon. So, if the gas tank has a capacity of say 15 gallons, that would be ... 1,200 miles.

I would like to see the annihilation of oil all together. But I'm afraid we are stuck with it for a very long time to come, realistically speaking. ...In Earth/human years.

Would I work for Tesla and people like Elon Musk? I sure would, in the design department, aerospatial.
 
But Tesla is a step forward into new technology that can become more environmentally friendly. We're probably better off with hydrogen cars however.

Hopefully Tesla will help drive us to getting to a point of subsisting off of solar power.

The biggest jokes is how inept Tesla is at building cars. They all have weird problems... the growing pains are pretty intense going independent from established car makers. If it wasn't for hype they'd be as valuable as Elon Musk himself.
 
But Tesla is a step forward into new technology that can become more environmentally friendly. We're probably better off with hydrogen cars however.

Hopefully Tesla will help drive us to getting to a point of subsisting off of solar power.

The biggest jokes is how inept Tesla is at building cars. They all have weird problems... the growing pains are pretty intense going independent from established car makers. If it wasn't for hype they'd be as valuable as Elon Musk himself.

I think the tech advances are likely the biggest plus. As others have said current Teslas are a bridge tech that will hopefully lead to something better.
 
It's interesting how they lose low end take off power over time, but gain power at higher RPM... they "burn in" ha! It's not enough to really notice while driving but clearly it happens according to the 40k tests.
 
Not the Model S but the new released (just now, few hours ago...last night) Model 3; comes in two versions:
1. $35,000 with a 220 miles range (130mph top speed)
2. $44,000 with a 310 miles range (140mph top speed)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...odel-3-arrives-with-a-surprise-310-mile-range


The white one in that video above; I have zero emotional connection with it. ...Meaning she has no frontal attraction design wise, none @ all.
When you buy a home and you decor your living room and your bedroom and your listening room and your library and your patio in your backyard, you do it according to your budget and your taste. It doesn't always translate with the real you, and your loved ones. When you buy a car it normally reflects you more on an emotional level than a house, I think, for me, IMO, YMMV, all that jazz. ...Generally speaking, on average, and not an absolute definition, just an approximation due to costs involved, geography, lifestyle and the type of shoes we wear.
Me, I live mainly barefoot for the last ten years. Before that I was wearing mainly cowboy boots for thirty years, light cream brown suede.
But for many years I was driving a convertible barefoot; from the beach to various restaurants and theaters. In the trunk I had sandals, runners and cowboy boots, plus Italian clothes, and snorkel mask and pads to go along with my bathing suit. I love swimming, one of my favorite sports along with golfing and chess playing.

The Model S is more for me than the new Model 3 - without a doubt. If there is no emotional connection, all the stereo equipment and movies and global warming in the world mean nothing much in the overall scheme of essential living. ;-)
 
Not the Model S but the new released (just now, few hours ago...last night) Model 3; comes in two versions:
1. $35,000 with a 220 miles range (130mph top speed)
2. $44,000 with a 310 miles range (140mph top speed)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...odel-3-arrives-with-a-surprise-310-mile-range


The white one in that video above; I have zero emotional connection with it. ...Meaning she has no frontal attraction design wise, none @ all.
When you buy a home and you decor your living room and your bedroom and your listening room and your library and your patio in your backyard, you do it according to your budget and your taste. It doesn't always translate with the real you, and your loved ones. When you buy a car it normally reflects you more on an emotional level than a house, I think, for me, IMO, YMMV, all that jazz. ...Generally speaking, on average, and not an absolute definition, just an approximation due to costs involved, geography, lifestyle and the type of shoes we wear.
Me, I live mainly barefoot for the last ten years. Before that I was wearing mainly cowboy boots for thirty years, light cream brown suede.
But for many years I was driving a convertible barefoot; from the beach to various restaurants and theaters. In the trunk I had sandals, runners and cowboy boots, plus Italian clothes, and snorkel mask and pads to go along with my bathing suit. I love swimming, one of my favorite sports along with golfing and chess playing.

The Model S is more for me than the new Model 3 - without a doubt. If there is no emotional connection, all the stereo equipment and movies and global warming in the world mean nothing much in the overall scheme of essential living. ;-)

For me the Model S is to a lesser degree like the Audi R8 which is plain boring in pictures but MUCH better looking in person.
 
For me the Model S is to a lesser degree like the Audi R8 which is plain boring in pictures but MUCH better looking in person.

What? I find the Audi R8 stunning in pictures too, one of the most attractive chassis designs out there. But of course, everybody's tastes are different.
 
What? I find the Audi R8 stunning in pictures too, one of the most attractive chassis designs out there. But of course, everybody's tastes are different.

To me it is stunning but only in person.
 
It depends; from which angle you look @ it, and who's looking @ it.

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And she's more expensive, even the base model. Any resemblances between the Audi R8 (top) and Tesla Model S (below)?

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My son bought a model 3. The $50K to which you allude is only if you use the larger battery pack which adds $14K to the price

Add interior package, paint, and autopilot + tax and you're at 50k. autopilot i guess is a big decision for most, but isn't this why you are buying it?
 
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/31/16069960/tesla-model-3-not-luxury-car-options-model-s
https://electrek.co/2017/07/31/tesla-model-3-interior/
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/0...ates-about-the-tesla-model-3-have-me-excited/
* Full enchilada (Standard & Long Range ... + Extras): https://cleantechnica.com/2017/07/2...d-long-range-with-heavyweight-310-mile-range/

Personally I am not crazy about its interior design; I much prefer the Toyota Camry.
And its exterior design? She looks like a Nissan GLE Maxima of some roughly twenty years ago (perhaps a little less).

But, it's not about the design, and it's not about the luxury; it's about the clean technology and the affordability for the general driving population...a cleaner world for everyone.
Is close to 50K with autopilot an affordable option for what the main goal it is? The ones who can afford it can answer it; the rest can test drive it while looking for a better paid job.

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Bonus: http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showt...-Earth-Climate-changes-Science-Global-Warming

 
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I admit, I'm a little confused on the Model S design from 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018.

The two photos below mentioned 2018 Model S:

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This one ? is 2018 Tesla Model S Redesign (P85D):

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And this one ? below says that it is a 2016 Model S (P90D):

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And this one ? below...2018 Model S

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And the 2017 Model S (60D) looks very similar ? to the first one on top (perhaps it is the same?):

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2017 Model S ?

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2018 Model X ?

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And you have the P70D, P85D, P90D, P100D...maybe also a P75D and P95D? I just get my learners. :b

http://newcarsreleasedates.com/2018-tesla-model-s/
 

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