Need An Amplifier That Can Make Any Speaker It's Bitch?

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I can post loads of pics of amps that cost as much as car with the covers of that horrify these folks if they actually were not blinded by price. Cowards pick easy targets.

And with that I'm going enjoy listening to some tunes through my lowly Marantz PM-KI-Pearl. :). Keep doing what you're doing Andre! You're providing a great service with your reviews of affordable audiophile gear. We all started somewhere and I'm sure your efforts are bringing more music fans into the fold.
 
This thread is a train wreck. Why don't you get it back on track??

For the record i posted an email from designer Ian Robinson, who graciuosly took the time to explain his design....

Not ONE reply. Not one. So don't talk to me about grtting the thread on track.
 
And with that I'm going enjoy listening to some tunes through my lowly Marantz PM-KI-Pearl. :). Keep doing what you're doing Andre! You're providing a great service with your reviews of affordable audiophile gear. We all started somewhere and I'm sure your efforts are bringing more music fans into the fold.
I love that amp!!! Enjoy! When you are done post pics of the internals and measurements so they can rip you a new *******! :)
 
for the record i posted an email from designer ian robinson, who graciuosly took the time to explain his design....

Not one reply. Not one. So don't talk to me about grtting the thread on track.
bingo!
 
And you have NO intention of ever hearing the product. SO in essence you are just a dick.

Oh, oh, foul language, Marc. Keep it up, this is fun, trust me. You can even refer to how I describe the internals of this unit in your review. Looking forward to what you have to say.
 
For the record i posted an email from designer Ian Robinson, who graciuosly took the time to explain his design....

Not ONE reply. Not one. So don't talk to me about grtting the thread on track.

Since I haven't heard it, currently have no interest in it, why would I respond? I tried following the thread but it seems like you want to continue antagonizing anyone who dares question a ~$2500 integrated amp.
 
Let's take a bit of time here guys...... it's getting personal, which doesn't do anyone any good.
 
Let's take a bit of time here guys...... it's getting personal, which doesn't do anyone any good.

I actually love it. Looking forward to an equally "professional" review of this unit.
 
Since I haven't heard it, currently have no interest in it, why would I respond? I tried following the thread but it seems like you want to continue antagonizing anyone who dares question a ~$2500 integrated amp.

What are you talking about? I did not expect you to respond. I am talking about the pack of wolves who shat on the design. I realize you did not participate earlier.

You asked me to get the thread back on target..well, I posted a response from the designer..that is getting the thread back on target.

I have no problem if you have no interest in the product. I have a problem with those who have no interest who thread crap.
 
I actually love it. Looking forward to an equally "professional" review of this unit.
Why? You wouldn't accept it anyway.

Andre posted this in good faith and people jumped all over it. He provided info from the designer, to which no one responded. Why?
 
“Offensive”? “Down right rude”? “Rotten”?

Maybe the fact that you used a sexually-charged and misogynistic epithet in the title of your thread - which as well as being potentially offensive to women toward whom the word in question is most frequently directed, could also be seen as being offensive to anyone who has been subjected to sexual violence and/or enforced servitude against their free will - lead to the tone of the thread descending fairly quickly toward you needing to then follow up with a profanity-laced defensive tirade in an attempt at self-justification.

I mean, I get it... it’s a pop-culture reference, a word reappropriated by modern feminism and hip-hop... I get it. Far be it from me to tell you what to do or say, Andre, but as much as I will fiercly defend your right to freedom of speech here on this forum, unless you’re attempting reclaim the word on behalf of feminists, lesbians or victims of prison rape, perhaps the professional writer in you could be more self-selective of the words you choose to express yourself, especially given the heavily male-centric and male-dominated industry the high-end has historically been - and in the context of this forum, continues to be.

Just sayin’.

We don't need an argument over semantics, vernacular or pop culture terminology.

The topic of discussiion is an amplifier.
 
Why? You wouldn't accept it anyway.

I read a lot of things I do not accept. I am now curious how he will describe its build quality, and then the sound.

Andre posted this in good faith and people jumped all over it. He provided info from the designer, to which no one responded. Why?

Because, as I posted earlier, I don't think it's worth anyone's attention, and of course, time. Now, you took exception at the word "anyone's", but I am sure you understand this is just a figure of speech. Simply put, Andre has not been able to draw the majority of attention to this unit (except of a very few people, perhaps), nor his designer and his comments. It's that simple - is that a good-enough hint that very few people apparently care?

People can keep on making personal attacks, see if I care. I am discussing the equipment.
 
Happy Thursday guys....

I have been out this afternoon on a balmy 85 degree day here in Southern California where my mind has been everywhere but here.

FWIW, Andre and I discussed the formation of his dedicated forum to bring to members attention gear that is inexpensive and also very good. Hence the HiFi Miser Forum which IMO has been welcomed wholeheartedly by membership. Perhaps this thread was created as well by Andre's enthusiasm and all in good faith.

having said that I also agree with comments made by 853guy and Ron Party that some equanimity needs to be reached here because knowing all of you I believe your intents to be honest.


I also see what ack says about internal build quality but does that detract from the sound Andre heard? Things could be said similarly about some other new products that are discussed here that have less than adequate build structure


All of you guys are founded in your comments and let's agree to agree that personal attacks are just not what we like here so let's take a deep breath and do as Ron says and sit down and listen to the new Adele album.
 
Pause, take a deep breath, relax, look in the mirror, embrace humility and don't become one of Pavlov's dogs. Listen to the new Adele album about which I just posted. Choose peace and happiness.

Surely there are MANY better female singers than Adele to listen to.
 
From the horses mouth, an email from Ian Robinson, touching on the amplifier design:

"The questioning as to why not have the fins on the sides or the back:

Agreed, fins dissipate heat most efficiently when they are vertically orientated. But when you factor in the sheer size (as in surface area) of this heat sink, it then doesn't need such a lot of air flow to keep it cool. And the openness of the "sine" curve allows a generous clearance for air to convect through and up from the heat sink. In fact, with one of those "through" directions always being forward, this creates a real positive for dissipation when units are positioned in cabinets.

So, as the flat "back"/top surface of the heat sink then becomes the base of the amplifier, even driving low impedance loads long and hard means the metal never gets warmer than blood temperature. This is the case because the area of the heat sink is "overkill" to the nth degree, the amp doesn't raise a sweat with the more difficult loads. This was the only technical test it needed to deliver on, so we knew after long, hard sessions it had passed with flying colours! Along with being rock solid as a heat sink!

As implied, the initial impetus for this design was to meet the changing market urging the use of drivers with ever lower impedances. So that there was plenty of heat sinking to "future proof your system", it seemed only logical to re-design our bigger ENR versions (prior to the Black Series) to use a heat sink as the whole base plate of the amplifier.

REDGUMs are designed so that all circuits are efficient and that must include heat issues!! In fact, the very first REDGUM design had all MOSFETs mounted directly onto a thick metal plate bolted to the internal heat sink. (Within a few years, all MOSFETs were mounted directly onto that internal heat sink.) Then with the advent of the SignWave heat sink, an even more effective connection could be made as the MOSFETs of all Signature Series models were close coupled to the top/"back" of this immense surface. Also for the first time (in the industry?) we could use this heat sink to cool the mains transformer. And as to the rigid mounting of the transformer, it, too, is bolted directly to the casting.

Unsurprisingly, the heat dissipation is very effective on this "BBQ grill" (as it has been called!). As you would be only too aware, some Audio brands have heat sinks visually well placed, but actually with no heat-generating components mounted onto them directly!!!!!! I find that technically weird as naturally it is most ineffective. : (

Indeed, we have tried placing heat sinks where they are "meant to be"! Prior to this, we had interim models using heat sinks at the rear, or completely forming the sides of the amplifier (e.g. earlier models of our 6 channel Home Theatre power amp), but in comparison, that side coverage was only about two-thirds of the surface area the Sign Wave heat sink offers as a base.

I am sure the thought has crossed your mind that for the power of this "baby" Black Series amp you are testing, the amount of heat sinking is excessive. ; ) Indeed, yes, but, on the other hand, it really does come in handy for the rest of the Black Series ramping up to 244W/ch and 500W/ch into 2?. So it was decided when presenting a new series it made more sense to have one physical style.

For the last 10 years, the SignWave heat sink has been the visual hallmark of our larger ENR models in what is now called the Amplifolia range. As the Black Signature Series are clones of the Amplifolia designs, then having the same heat sink seemed to fit the visual logic. As the Black Series were focussing on providing the grunt for those more difficult loads, it made even more sense for the technical logic. "
Thank you Andre for reaching out to him. He scores a big point with me for caring to write a response. Kudos to manufacturers who take the time to do that.

Alas, you asked him the wrong question. Everything he is mentioning is on record here and not the issue at hand. This is the issue as posted in the first reply:

Heat sinks on the BOTTOM of the amplifier!!!???

Insane. EVERYTHING inside the chassis will reach the same temperature as the output devices. Life-span of every electrolytic caps will be compromised. Bad idea.

As I noted and others agreed, the amp does have oversized heatsinks so we are not concerned about the transistors dying. But rather the elevated temps shortening the life of electrolytic caps. Here is a sample graph showing the lifetime versus temperature:

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As you see, there is an exponential drop in lifetime of such capacitors based on temp. It should make intuitive sense as what causes them to go bad is the electrolytic drying out and any liquid evaporates more and more as you increase temps.

Anyway, I am still wondering if the amp lived up to the tag line you gave it for the thread title. You said in your original post that you will be testing it with maggies. Last time I did an amp shoot out with them (going back to 1980s) my friend had a Bryston amp with similar power to this unit. I brought over my Carver receiver with 200 watts and Class H and it substantially increased the dynamic range and bass out of his maggies. So I am curious how with less than half as much power you managed to get them to perform to their potential.

What amp did you compare them to? Have you tested them against much cheaper mass market amps? Any class D amps in its price range or even lower? I don't know what to do with your one and only statement that they were "amazing."
 
I have no problem if you have no interest in the product. I have a problem with those who have no interest who thread crap.
I have not seen anyone express interest in the amp. That aside, the information we are sharing is useful across wide range of products. After sound, the most important criteria in an amplifier should be reliability. These things handle huge amount of currents, generate a lot of heat, both of which are enemies of reliability. I put myself through college repairing hundreds of amplifiers. Sharing what I and others know about failure modes we see in such designs may not be of value to you but is value to others.

If you think reliability does not matter, let's have you say that clear and then we know what the point of contention is. Because to me, it better be high up priority list given how heavy and nasty these things are to send back, wait weeks to get them fixed. All else being equal, you want to choose a reliable design. Or at least one that the doesn't scream it isn't.
 
I have not seen anyone express interest in the amp. That aside, the information we are sharing is useful across wide range of products. After sound, the most important criteria in an amplifier should be reliability. These things handle huge amount of currents, generate a lot of heat, both of which are enemies of reliability. I put myself through college repairing hundreds of amplifiers. Sharing what I and others know about failure modes we see in such designs may not be of value to you but is value to others.

If you think reliability does not matter, let's have you say that clear and then we know what the point of contention is. Because to me, it better be high up priority list given how heavy and nasty these things are to send back, wait weeks to get them fixed. All else being equal, you want to choose a reliable design. Or at least one that the doesn't scream it isn't.

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