Last Is Amazing, Wonderful, A Miracle- I Present A Significant Experiment

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karma

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Last products have been around for a long time. This essay concerns their Record Preservative and Stylast products. I have not used Last’s cleaning solution because I have developed my own which works very well. I have no reason to think that Last’s cleaning solution is not excellent but I don’t need it.

I am going to document an experiment I have conducted to attempt to confirm or deny Last’s claim that use of their products will increase stylus life. As a fall out from the experiment is conformation that Last also decreases record wear but that is not the primary point of the experiment.

I assume that the reason this experiment has not been seen in print before is because of the difficulty of obtaining definitive results. My experiment is dead simple. The only difficulty is being totally consistent. This is the crux of the experiment if one wants results that can be relied upon. I’ll describe the experiment below.

As a convention, in this essay when I write “Last”, I mean Last Record Preservative. When I am referring to Stylast, I write Stylast.

I have an advantage over most because I have been involved in audio for so many years. During these years I have operated two different High End audio repair shops for a total of thirteen years. I made it a point to examine every stylus that came into my shops under a Shure SEK-2 stylus microscope. I have examined literally thousands of styli. In addition, I have kept my own personal styli under surveillance using the Shure microscope since around 1980. The short of it is I have a huge amount of experience with styli and have determined how much use time that can be expected from a stylus.

From this, the basic question can be formulated. “Does Last Record Preservative and Stylast actually increase stylus life? Or not? If it does, how much?” The Last literature makes the claim that stylus life is increased. It does not specify how much. Is this snake oil? Actually, the Last literature makes other claims as well but here we will concentrate only on stylus life.

Last is applied directly to the record surface using the supplied applicator. Last is not a coating such as Gruv Glide or Soundguard that stays on the surface. Rather, Last combines chemically with the vinyl and alters its surface hardness. Once applied, Last cannot be removed. Since Last is now one with the vinyl, there is nothing to remove. Thus, there is nothing to which dust can stick. In fact, Last banishes electrostatic surface charges and static dust attraction is a thing of the past. Once applied, it is never necessary to reapply Last. Once is enough.

I have been using Last Record Preservative and Stylast since around 1980. The products must be used correctly. The Preservative and Stylast are designed to work together as a system. You will not get the full benefit unless you use both. And, you need a good RCM with a strong motor and a horizontal platter, such as the VPI models (I have a VPI 17), to apply Last. This will really fill out the tool set.

If used correctly, I believe the claims made by the Last Company. If not done right, you get less benefit or maybe, none at all. Read their web site. I know it seems like snake oil but it's not. I have been promoting Last for years but folks don't seem to believe me. I really don’t fault folks for their skepticism because the claimed benefits are pretty amazing. The only way to know is to try it.

I have run a careful, disciplined, long term experiment to either confirm or deny their claim of extended stylus life. I started with a brand new line contact stylus (a Monster Alpha Genesis 1000 cartridge). Without Last, one could expect about 1000 hours of life before wear forced replacement. This was my second cartridge of this type. So, I knew what to expect. Also, long experience told me 1000 hours is about the typical life span of all styli no matter what their shape. It does not vary much. After all, a diamond is a diamond.

I checked for stylus wear both by ear and, periodically, with my Shure stylus microscope. The microscope reveals the truth. I set up an hour’s counter to keep track of playing time. The experiment was simple but required some determination and discipline. With an experiment like this, it is vitally important to be totally consistent. Here is how I did it.

I NEVER played a record unless it had been thoroughly cleaned on my VPI 17 RCM and then treated with the preservative. I NEVER played a side without first treating the stylus with Stylast. There were no exceptions. Even if a friend brought a favorite record over to my listening room for a listen, I would not play it unless I first washed and Lasted it. Once, a friend got pissed but calmed down when I explained the experiment. I Lasted his record then played it. It was good!

Cleaning (washing) the record is very important. I believe the mold release residue that clings to all records must be removed in order to allow Last to form a chemical bond with the vinyl. The Last factory has not confirmed this though. So, the mould release may not inhibit Last. Cleaning solutions should contain alcohol which is the only solvent I have found that will remove the mold release and not harm the vinyl.

I deep clean the stylus with a short stubble brush and isopropyl alcohol…about every 20 records. This removes a varnish-like residue that builds up on the stylus. I’m not sure of its origin. It is easily removed with a stylus cleaning brush and alcohol. Its presence is revealed with a stylus microscope. Be careful!

The result? After 4000 hours the stylus still sounded new and the microscope revealed no wear at all. The stylus just appears to be beautifully polished. The experiment is still under way. From all indications, the stylus will last indefinitely. Probably, the stylus suspension will fail before the diamond wears out.

I think Last products are fantastic. They do what the manufacturer says they do. They have other benefits that I can confirm. Rather than repeat them here, check out Last's website at:

http://www.lastfactory.com/Products/...servative.html

The improvement of stylus life has an interesting and important side effect on cartridge economics. I’m not a rich man. The idea of spending multi-thousands on a cartridge which will need replacement in a thousand hours is not attractive to me. I can’t afford it. But, if the stylus life can be extended significantly the cost per hour drops precipitously. For example, if a $1000 cartridge requires replacement in 1000 hours, the cost of use is $1.00 per hour. However, if stylus life can be extended to 5000 hours, the use cost drops to $0.20 an hour. Another way of looking at it is using a $5000 cartridge as an example. If stylus life is 5000 hours then the use cost is $1.00 per hour or the same as a non-Lasted situation with a $1000 cartridge. For me, this brings the $5000 cartridge into play. I think this is a pretty amazing and significant result from using Last.

I realize that one experiment on one cartridge does not constitute a statistical truth. However, my long experience (over 45 years) with cartridges and my long term use of the Shure stylus microscope adds to the body of evidence that lends credibility to Last products and my experiment. I will continue the experiment because I am convinced that my records and styli are better off with Last than without. The experiment has become my normal record playing practice.

Afterword:
To show that I believe the results of my experiment I recently bought a Lyra Skala. I fully expect the life of this cartridge to extend at least to 5000 hours. This makes the $3500 Skala cost effective.

Do understand that 5000 hours of stylus life expectancy may actually be significantly conservative. The experiment continues…………..

Sparky
 
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karma

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HI Steve,
Yes, Livermore is significant in this case because the inventor of Last is a former Livermore National Laboratory staff chemist. Since I work at Los Alamos National Laboratory with strong ties to Livermore, we had much to talk about. We discussed my experiment and its results. I received his blessings for my work. The Last factory is also running a stylus life experiment very similar to mine. When I most recently checked their stylus had logged over 7000 hours with NO indication of stylus wear. This is significant because we now have two independent experiments that confirm one another. This lends credibility to to both.

And these also pose the question: Where is the end? Will the Last treated styli last forever? An interesting question, don't you think?

He is a very bright guy.

Sparky
 
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I use Last Products for my R2R for head cleaning

LAST Tape Preservative as well as LAST Tape Head Treatment

The Last company is in Livermore which is almost in my back yard

It is exceptional stuff

Steve - I might like to bring some cleaning fluids for both my RtR (I didn't know thy had such stuff) and turntable gear, since you know them, do you think they will care to ship me to San Diego while I am there? It would be a Hotel address...
 

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I need to double check if I can bring it back with me since its liquids! :(
 

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I too am a big Last fan; although I've not got around to using the Preservative on as many of my records as I would like, I DO clean my stylus and apply Stylast on every side. I suspect this is one of the reasons why my Parnassus lasted so long.
 

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This is great information. . .thanks. I've been considering Last products for some time, but as Sparky notes, their claims sound like snake-oil. It's nice to see some empirical data to support their claims. . .now, where's my checkbook?. . .
 

Steve Williams

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This is great information. . .thanks. I've been considering Last products for some time, but as Sparky notes, their claims sound like snake-oil. It's nice to see some empirical data to support their claims. . .now, where's my checkbook?. . .


It is worth every penny
 

karma

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HI All,
What's the matter with you people? The essay that opened this thread gave you a means to greatly increase the life of your cartridges making expensive cartridges very cost effective. Yet, there have been almost zero responses. I don't understand you at all. It makes me think that for all your high minded writing, you are all really just full of hot air.

I conclude the following:
1. You don't believe the experimental results, or
2. You are so rich that spending $5000 for a cartridge every 1000 hours of operation does not bother you, or
3. You think my ideas are BS, or
4. Using Last Record Preservative is just too much trouble. This goes back to an accusation I had expressed in another thread that you are just too lazy to pursue great sound. Shame!! !

No matter which of the above is true, I would think the essay should elicit some informed responses. Yes, I am talking to you!!

OK, flame me. Maybe this will get some kind of a response from you folks who seem to be as dead as a run over cat.

Sparky
 

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HI All,
What's the matter with you people? The essay that opened this thread gave you a means to greatly increase the life of your cartridges making expensive cartridges very cost effective. Yet, there have been almost zero responses. I don't understand you at all. It makes me think that for all your high minded writing, you are all really just full of hot air.

I conclude the following:
1. You don't believe the experimental results, or
2. You are so rich that spending $5000 for a cartridge every 1000 hours of operation does not bother you, or
3. You think my ideas are BS, or
4. Using Last Record Preservative is just too much trouble. This goes back to an accusation I had expressed in another thread that you are just too lazy to pursue great sound. Shame!! !

No matter which of the above is true, I would think the essay should elicit some informed responses. Yes, I am talking to you!!

OK, flame me. Maybe this will get some kind of a response from you folks who seem to be as dead as a run over cat.

Sparky

Basically I think that Last degrades the sound of LPs and don't use it Sparky. In fact, will not buy used records treated with it. The only thing that was worse was either Groove Glide or Soundguard! That's why I didn't say anything. My philosophy: keep your LPs clean.
 

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Basically I think that Last degrades the sound of LPs and don't use it Sparky. In fact, will not buy used records treated with it. The only thing that was worse was either Groove Glide or Soundguard! That's why I didn't say anything. My philosophy: keep your LPs clean.

Exactly, that was my conclusion back in the '80s as well... It felt like LAST was some sort of teflon coating or equivalent, which may well extend stylus life, but otherwise was detrimental to the sound. I believe back then it was claimed that you have to play the records a few times after LASTing in order to get them to sound better, or something like that... Never touched that stuff since then...
 

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Myles and Peter do you use Last Tape Preservative and or Last Head treatment for your tape and R2R

Nope, just isopropyl alcohol... and will not use any alcohol on the stylus because it affects the glue that keeps the diamond in place.
 

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Not for vinyl. I understand. But you don't use it on your tape heads for the same reason???

Correct, I don't know what this stuff is and what it does. If the manufacturers wanted to coat their heads and extend their lifetime there are plenty of options they could have employed. For one, the tape head gap must not be disturbed
 

Steve Williams

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Correct, I don't know what this stuff is and what it does. If the manufacturers wanted to coat their heads and extend their lifetime there are plenty of options they could have employed. For one, the tape head gap must not be disturbed

Interesting

I use it and have never noticed any sonic degradation.

BTW, as the saying also goes, "if Willy Studer wanted to have a switch to bypass the heads he would have made one" ;)
 

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Correct, I don't know what this stuff is and what it does. If the manufacturers wanted to coat their heads and extend their lifetime there are plenty of options they could have employed. For one, the tape head gap must not be disturbed

I noticed over on TTP website that some tapeheads are diehard adherents to Last while others don't use it all. I don't. Would love to hear Paul Stubblebine's or John French's comments on the use of LAST tape products.
 
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