Videos: Show me MALE vocals

[bonzo75]

Is it because a well matching amp too? Am I hearing a different pressing from what Peter has.

The amp has more headroom at 120w, 833c. Maybe a different pressing, not sure. As long as he bought the melodia not the eterna or Philips digital I think it must be the same. There are different represses.

He and I have different mics. Mine is on iphone 8, his is 11 pro or so.

 

[morricab]

Is it because a well matching amp too? Am I hearing a different pressing from what Peter has.

Do people think this Winterreise sounds good? Peter's posts sound far superior...

 

[wil]

Do people think this Winterreise sounds good? Peter's posts sound far superior...

I agree Peter’s sounds a lot better, but in both, the vocals sound grievously peaky. Is this what you’re hearing in person or is the iPhone just not handling the vocal? I’ve heard a lot of versions of Wintereise and some recordings do have this peaky quality — I prefer the ones that don’t! I think in general it must be really hard to record male classical singers. Their voices are so powerful they seem to overwhelm the microphones unless they are recorded with a lot of skill.

I also hear a lot of — Room— which even if the overall sound is very musical, I find gets in the way of hearing into the recording.

Just from hearing the videos posted here, and given all the limitations of listening to iPhone videos, I hear the Vitavox set up interacting a lot more with the room than the prior Magico set up.

I also hear a lot less of the room reverberation in Stehno’s videos which I think overall is a good thing.

 

[bonzo75]

Are you referring to room the system is in, or the concert hall ambience

 

[Al M.]

I agree Peter’s sounds a lot better, but in both, the vocals sound grievously peaky. Is this what you’re hearing in person or is the iPhone just not handling the vocal? I’ve heard a lot of versions of Wintereise and some recordings do have this peaky quality — I prefer the ones that don’t! I think in general it must be really hard to record male classical singers. Their voices are so powerful they seem to overwhelm the microphones unless they are recorded with a lot of skill.

I also hear a lot of — Room— which even if the overall sound is very musical, I find gets in the way of hearing into the recording.

Just from hearing the videos posted here, and given all the limitations of listening to iPhone videos, I hear the Vitavox set up interacting a lot more with the room than the prior Magico set up.

I also hear a lot less of the room reverberation in Stehno’s videos which I think overall is a good thing.

For some reason Peter's videos tend to sound more spatially reverberant than his system sounds in person.

One of the many reasons why I find videos problematic. And it's not just recording, but also playback. I even heard differences in perceived spatiality from one and the same video upon playback on either phone or laptop computer. You never know what you get.

 

[wil]

Are you referring to room the system is in, or the concert hall ambience

The room. I want to hear the concert hall ambience.

 

[wil]

For some reason Peter's videos tend to sound more spatially reverberant than his system sounds in person.

One of the many reasons why I find videos problematic. And it's not just recording, but also playback. I even heard differences in perceived spatiality from one and the same video upon playback on either phone or laptop computer. You never know what you get.

I didn’t find that to be the case with the Magico videos though. But you guys have heard both in person and that trumps these videos!

 

[morricab]

I agree Peter’s sounds a lot better, but in both, the vocals sound grievously peaky. Is this what you’re hearing in person or is the iPhone just not handling the vocal? I’ve heard a lot of versions of Wintereise and some recordings do have this peaky quality — I prefer the ones that don’t! I think in general it must be really hard to record male classical singers. Their voices are so powerful they seem to overwhelm the microphones unless they are recorded with a lot of skill.

I also hear a lot of — Room— which even if the overall sound is very musical, I find gets in the way of hearing into the recording.

Just from hearing the videos posted here, and given all the limitations of listening to iPhone videos, I hear the Vitavox set up interacting a lot more with the room than the prior Magico set up.

I also hear a lot less of the room reverberation in Stehno’s videos which I think overall is a good thing.

I went and listened to a whole bunch of versions on Qobuz and found they vary dramatically with regard to the amount of recorded ambience and clarity of the piano...the singer seems rather better captured.
The peakiness could be overload as some recordings have very potent voices!

 

[Argonaut]

I went and listened to a whole bunch of versions on Qobuz and found they vary dramatically with regard to the amount of recorded ambience and clarity of the piano...the singer seems rather better captured.
The peakiness could be overload as some recordings have very potent voices!

For my part I have reservations about utilising this particular body of work as a definitive *tool* in evaluating and categorising the relative qualities of so many varied and disparate transducers, the quality of recorded material available for the most part being fairly mediocre to begin with.

 

[bonzo75]

I’ve heard a lot of versions of Wintereise

The collectible is considered to be the HMV Dietrich Fischer Dieskkau and Gerald Moore. I have the second edition and have also heard a tape. I don't find it as good because the voice is recorded close to the mic, and the piano is muted.

This Schreier Richter version is the best I found. I also compared it to the Philips digital LP and the Eterna (in fact have them) and the Melodiya is the best. It is an 8 euro LP where he postage from Russia is much more expensive, so most people here can buy it. Does it have same sonics as some of the other non-winterreise collectible LPs? No. But it is a brilliant performance and very real, excellent concert hall ambience and you are there recording. This is also the only piece I found where the piano is extremely strong as well. In person the whole Melodiya pressing is very emotional, moving and powerful. I first heard it on the Western Electrics at Munich and immediately picked it up

 

[bonzo75]

For my part I have reservations about utilising this particular body of work as a definitive *tool* in evaluating and categorising the relative qualities of so many varied and disparate transducers, the quality of recorded material available for the most part being fairly mediocre to begin with.

No one should use any one recording as a definitive tool, it is one in a series of recordings used

 

[Argonaut]

“In person the whole Melodiya pressing is very emotional, moving and powerful. I first heard it on the Western Electrics at Munich and immediately picked it up”

Mein Gott ... Blatted out via 30’s Cinema horns

 

[stehno]

If it was easy, I imagine Nesmith would be everybody's favorite male vocalist.

 

[stehno]

A classic by any standard.

 

[Addicted to hifi]

A classic by any standard.

One of the best songs ever.

 

[andromedaaudio]

Elvis presley Are you lonesome tonight Tape

 

[andromedaaudio]

Joe cocker Unchain my heart

 

[stehno]

 

[stehno]

 

[stehno]