Videos of Acoustically-Coupled Audio Recordings

Tascam built-in wins it for me.
Samsung not detailed enough.
Superlux a bit diffuse.
What do you mean by "diffuse"?
To my ears (with headphones) the Superlux is superior to the Tascam's build-in mic. The Superlux have a fuller sound, are a little more refined, and provide a sound a little closer to the in-room sound (though still different of course).
I am still working on the acoustics of my room and had to take down my temporary ceiling baffles a few days ago.Will probably do some more comparisons when I have them set up again. My girlfriend has an iPhone (10 or 11 I believe) and will try to steal it from her...
 
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You mean you don't like the sound, not like you to be diplomatic, lol
Rexp I feel you’re also being diplomatic … and much as in 1938 it could ensure peace for our time lol :eek:
 
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What do you mean by "diffuse"?
To my ears (with headphones) the Superlux is superior to the Tascam's build-in mic. The Superlux have a fuller sound, are a little more refined, and provide a sound a little closer to the in-room sound (though still different of course).
I am still working on the acoustics of my room and had to take down my temporary ceiling baffles a few days ago.Will probably do some more comparisons when I have them set up again. My girlfriend has an iPhone (10 or 11 I believe) and will try to steal it from her...
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I listened to it again, and I see what you mean, but the sound with the Superlux microphones, IMO, is closer to the recording (when listening to headphones). With the Tascam's UNI microphones, the sound is thinner, it lacks body. Perhaps that could be preferred, but it is farther away from the in-room sound and the sound of the track played from Qobuz with headphones.

In either case, there is a big gap with the tablet (provided the recordings are not played back on a phone, in which case, they sound similar).
 
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I"m seeing the term "Wanker" being used in this thread on WBF. I live on both sides of the pond, and seeing it being bandied about got me properly homesick for my North London neighbourhood. Belsize Park, NW3.
As a Londoner of over 50 years (lapsed since 2016), I've *never* heard Belsize Parksters use "wanker". Not even tosser. Way too posh and cultured.
 
You mean you don't like the sound, not like you to be diplomatic, lol
If this is your way of saying you lack the ability to discern sonic differences between the two videos or sonic performance just doesn’t matter to you…, well, not much to say except that it looks like you’re in good company.
 
There's quite a bit of difference from a musical communication standpoint. The digital is fractured rhythmically, lacking a sense of phrasing moving the music forward in comparison to the analog replay. Yes, sonically very similar though. iPhones DO excel at speech intelligibility, and rhythmic clarity is a huge part of that.
Very good point, Scott. I'd like to pry a bit further because as a digital warrior (I guess) some-to-many of my library recordings have gone through the analog-to-digital conversion process and as such they don't seem to always fair perhaps as well as they could or should.

When it does it, if that's what it is, it usually isn't the end of the world performance-wise and can be somewhat overlooked - but a performance hit is a performance it, fer sure. Assuming we're thinking along the same vein of this digital fracturing signature, of course.

What I'm curious about is, do you consider this signature effect a 100% constant across the board every time beginning to end of every track for every last playback presentation that's been digitized? Or do you think this signature and/or its severity fluctuates between notes/tracks/songs, digital-sourced systems, etc?
 
Very good point, Scott. I'd like to pry a bit further because as a digital warrior (I guess) some-to-many of my library recordings have gone through the analog-to-digital conversion process and as such they don't seem to always fair perhaps as well as they could or should.

When it does it, if that's what it is, it usually isn't the end of the world performance-wise and can be somewhat overlooked - but a performance hit is a performance it, fer sure. Assuming we're thinking along the same vein of this digital fracturing signature, of course.

What I'm curious about is, do you consider this signature effect a 100% constant across the board every time beginning to end of every track for every last playback presentation that's been digitized? Or do you think this signature and/or its severity fluctuates between notes/tracks/songs, digital-sourced systems, etc?
Yo' stehno! Definitely the latter, and specifically I think it follows the digital equipment used. And just because a source is analog doesn’t mean it necessarily excels in the areas of musical communication we're talking about. I’ve heard many turntables that are great at revealing the sonic detail in the grooves but express it in a way that is lacking insight into what the musicians are trying to say ( for one example, blurring of those rhythmic subtleties used to shape phrases).

i don’t know why it’s so difficult for digital playback to preserve these performance aspects? The ability to do so certainly doesn’t follow price. I’m still using a relatively inexpensive Lavry DAC (leftover from recording studio duty) in our fancy hifi because it gets out of the way and leaves the nuts and bolts in place.


Btw, there was a video comparison of a track from Sonny Rollins “Way Out West” here recently that included two analog sourced replays along with your system's digital. Of the three, I felt yours was the best at telling me what Rollins and co. were trying to say - there was one phrase I remember it seemed I could tell what Sonny was thinking as he played it(!) - and while the expensive analog was beautiful to listen to, I’d choose your setup for its performance transparency every day of the week. Can only imagine how much fun your kit would be with a WTL, Brinkmann, or Grand Prix Audio 'table as source ;)
 
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Yo' stehno! Definitely the latter, and specifically I think it follows the digital equipment used. And just because a source is analog doesn’t mean it necessarily excels in the areas of musical communication we're talking about. I’ve heard many turntables that are great at revealing the sonic detail in the grooves but express it in a way that is lacking insight into what the musicians are trying to say ( for one example, blurring of those rhythmic subtleties used to shape phrases).

i don’t know why it’s so difficult for digital playback to preserve these performance aspects? The ability to do so certainly doesn’t follow price. I’m still using a relatively inexpensive Lavry DAC (leftover from recording studio duty) in our fancy hifi because it gets out of the way and leaves the nuts and bolts in place.


Btw, there was a video comparison of a track from Sonny Rollins “Way Out West” here recently that included two analog sourced replays along with your system's digital. Of the three, I felt yours was the best at telling me what Rollins and co. were trying to say - there was one phrase I remember it seemed I could tell what Sonny was thinking as he played it(!) - and while the expensive analog was beautiful to listen to, I’d choose your setup for its performance transparency every day of the week. Can only imagine how much fun your kit would be with a WTL, Brinkmann, or Grand Prix Audio 'table as source ;)
Nice reply and thanks. So you say this digital fracturing signature fluctuates and is digital equipment specific / enhanced and to which I think I agree - though perhaps for different reasons.

With so much going on in a given playback system and with so many potential sources of impact, I often find such characteristics difficult to nail down so I'll hypothesize.

Analog potentially induces some distortions specific to analog while digital potentially induces distortions specific to digital. Then of course there's universal distortions induced on a given system regardless of music source.

FWIW, I think analog and digital both have great potential from a musicality perspective. However, I suspect the newer technology aka digital is ultimately capable of higher resolution - which to me makes sense since it's a much newer more precise technology. And when distortions of any sort or source remain unaddressed or poorly addressed, the product with the higher resolution potential will potentially expose more of the pre-existing imperfections.

The fact that you think this sonic signature fluctuates and may be digital equipment specific leads me to think some digital designers may also notice this and voice their designs accordingly and/or choose internals to better mitigate/mask potential damages?

IOW, do you think it possible that this digital fracturing rhythmically that you speak of may not necessarily be induced directly by actual digital processing but more as a result of digital by its very nature being potentially more resolving / more exposing?

Anyway, that's my current hypothesis. :)

BTW, thanks for the kind words.
 
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Digital playback 16bit/44.1khz samsung tablet s3 with dayton mic
Eivør Pálsdóttir(Live)-Min mó?ir

my tip is to go to one of her concerts... goosebumps
 
FWIW, here's another microphone comparison: Samsung tablet vs. Tascam build-in microphone vs. Tascam & Superlux S502.


Timestamps are in the video's description.
Streamed from Qobuz: https://open.qobuz.com/track/31274450

P.S. will add an iPhone recording in a few days
clearly super lux, more timbres and more fullness in the tone. sounds more like music to me and not like hi-fi
 
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clearly super lux, more timbres and more fullness in the tone. sounds more like music to me and not like hi-fi

I made these recordings without the ceiling panels I had installed a few weeks ago. I re-installed them recently, with some improvements, and I really like the improvement it makes but am curious to see if this type of change is audible with a recording. Will get around to making another recording in a few days.


Listening to your video, I am still a little skeptical that this measurement microphone is a good idea! I had bought that same model a few years ago, but cannot find it (may have been misplaced in a move). Too bad, it would have been interesting to compare it.
 
I made these recordings without the ceiling panels I had installed a few weeks ago. I re-installed them recently, with some improvements, and I really like the improvement it makes but am curious to see if this type of change is audible with a recording. Will get around to making another recording in a few days.


Listening to your video, I am still a little skeptical that this measurement microphone is a good idea! I had bought that same model a few years ago, but cannot find it (may have been misplaced in a move). Too bad, it would have been interesting to compare it.
shame would have been nice to hear the same microphone with a different system.
Use headphones listen to my12k€ vs. over 500k€ system same song
either they didn't put any effort into setting up the speakers. I don't like the bass and the voice has no energy. i wouldn't buy it.

P.S the dog is cute
 
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I made these recordings without the ceiling panels I had installed a few weeks ago. I re-installed them recently, with some improvements, and I really like the improvement it makes but am curious to see if this type of change is audible with a recording. Will get around to making another recording in a few days.


Listening to your video, I am still a little skeptical that this measurement microphone is a good idea! I had bought that same model a few years ago, but cannot find it (may have been misplaced in a move). Too bad, it would have been interesting to compare it.
I can recommend acoustic plaster panels for the ceiling. I painstakingly applied the plaster by hand with a small trowel and took 3 days. the effort was really worth it.
Buyable product just stick it under the ceiling10577-123-04.jpg

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Leif sent this video to both me and Bill individually. Both of us immediately asked him what change he had made. Over the last two years he has been regularly modding his set up like DIY guys do.

he mentioned he had changed the mundorf silver in oil cap to duelund cast CU. Just goes to show how much of audible over mobile videos

I don’t have the before, but for someone who regularly follows his change the better tone and flow was easily audible


 
Leif sent this video to both me and Bill individually. Both of us immediately asked him what change he had made. Over the last two years he has been regularly modding his set up like DIY guys do.

he mentioned he had changed the mundorf silver in oil cap to duelund cast CU. Just goes to show how much of audible over mobile videos

I don’t have the before, but for someone who regularly follows his change the better tone and flow was easily audible


the funny thing is that since theese Duelund CAST caps are so expensive, I´ve been picking them up secondhand from all over the world to hook up the values I needed...Australia, Belgium, Denmark and twice Finland
theese have been gradually installed during the past 6-7 months, and the change you noticed in this vid, is actually the second last position, a series connected notch in the 4003 HP
it was like removing the cork from a bottle, and all small sonic changes, materialised into a major one
the small red Jantzen is 1,8µF and not a std value, so I´m about to order it from Dueelund


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the funny thing is that since theese Duelund CAST caps are so expensive, I´ve been picking them up secondhand from all over the world to hook up the values I needed...Australia, Belgium, Denmark and twice Finland
theese have been gradually installed during the past 6-7 months, and the change you noticed in this vid, is actually the second last position, a series connected notch in the 4003 HP
it was like removing the cork from a bottle, and all small sonic changes, materialised into a major one
the small red Jantzen is 1,8µF and not a std value, so I´m about to order it from Dueelund


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Hi,

Can you link here an older video so we can assess how these changes are perceived through iphone recordings?

Thanks
 
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