Spiral Grove Centroid vs Kuzma 4-Point (on GPA Monaco 2.0)

jfrech

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John, I'm pleased to hear you are enjoying the 4Point. I found it is a great match with the Monaco 2. Please continue sharing your impressions - much appreciated!
Thanks Tima, great call on the matching with the Monaco. Looks are to die for also :)
 

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Yes better in pretty much every way. It brings a tonal density/warmth to each note that the Spiral Groove didn't possess. It's more quiet, allowing for more resolution. Wider and deeper stage. Maybe ?? a tad less air, but a slight bigger, wider, deeper stage. Seems to unravel things more. Curious I do seem to notice vinyl noise a tad more. I am using a little damping in both the vertical and horizontal planes and beginning to experiment with VTA micro adjustments per 140, 180, 200 gram. Right now I go 4 notches on the dial down for 140's from the 180 position. And 2 up from 180 position for 200's.

Again, I do like the look, feel, build quality. After using the Spiral Groove for years (5+) I don't think I'll ever go back to it. I had intended to keep it for a 2nd table one day, but I think I may put it up for sale soon....

PS, it seems to get more out of my Goldfinger Statement.
Hi,

I'm just curious... did you happen to have the Centroid on a Spiral Groove table prior to the Monaco? If so, how did the Spiral Groove table compare sonically to the Monaco?

Best wishes,
Don
 

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So my dealer stopped by Thursday evening. We listened for VTA adjustments. We started with the arm level (by measuring the front and back of the arm with a 180 gram record, needle on surface. Raised the back of the arm, and no. Lowered one full revolution on the dial, and hey that's a little better. Lowered another full revolution and no. Lowered again and hey the way the piano and the guitar sounds. So I ended up 3 full revolutions down on the dial from level. This is for a 180 gram. Right now I am playing with 200 gram, seems like I like the arm 2 notches lower, about to try 2.5 but that's it. My dealer likes his arm 4 notches above the 180 position for 140/thinner records. So I'll begin listening for that soon.

I've missed the VTA on the fly adjustments since I sold my TriPlanar years ago...
Thanks so much for the detailed research.
 
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Hi,

I'm just curious... did you happen to have the Centroid on a Spiral Groove table prior to the Monaco? If so, how did the Spiral Groove table compare sonically to the Monaco?

Best wishes,
Don
Hi Don,

I never owned or heard the Spiral Groove table. I just bought the universal version of the Centroid arm...
 
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No Regrets

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Hi Don,

I never owned or heard the Spiral Groove table. I just bought the universal version of the Centroid arm...
Thank you for your reply!

I have heard the Spiral Groove table with Centroid arm several times and always thought it did a wonderful job. However, I have never had the opportunity to listen to the Monaco yet and was hoping to learn how they may compare to each other, realizing they utilize different drive systems.

Best wishes,
Don
 

jfrech

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Thank you for your reply!

I have heard the Spiral Groove table with Centroid arm several times and always thought it did a wonderful job. However, I have never had the opportunity to listen to the Monaco yet and was hoping to learn how they may compare to each other, realizing they utilize different drive systems.

Best wishes,
Don
I should add, the Centroid is a killer good arm. I used it for ~5 years and simply loved it. I suspect on the Spiral Groove table it's performance may elevate some. I also wonder that some of what I am hearing is system synergy with 4-point and not just one arm vs another. Could also be my Goldfinger Statement just likes the 4-point better than the Centroid. So you're mileage can certainly vary.
 

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