Pass Labs Xp-12 or Xp-20.

Snoopy72

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All,
First time post here. I'm in the market for pre-amp. At this moment, I'm debating between XP-12 ad XP-20. Have anyone done comparing between those two?
Thanks,
Hoang
 

PeterA

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All,
First time post here. I'm in the market for pre-amp. At this moment, I'm debating between XP-12 ad XP-20. Have anyone done comparing between those two?
Thanks,
Hoang
Welcome to the forum, Snoopy72. I have not done this specific comparison, but I did do a similar one. I recently directly compared my XP-20 to the new XP-22 and after three weeks decided to upgrade to the new model. I have not heard the XP-12 or the XP-10, but I have owned the Pass Aleph P, the X1, and then the XP20. I have also heard the XP30 and XS Pre in my system for extended auditions. I have found that in general each new generation is better, primarily in the lowering of noise. Some models within the same generation are slightly either cooler, warmer, or more neutral. The tonal balance is slightly different. I think much depends on matching the pre to the amp and what your sonic preferences are. All of the products are reliable, good values and sound great.

Having said that, the new generation of preamps does borrow technology from the superb XS Pre, and the XP22 sounds fantastic. The XP20 has a very neutral tonal balance, as does the 22. The 22 is quieter so one hears more resolution. I can also drive long ICs well because of the low output impedance. I don't know the specs of the XP12, but everything should be on line. I would think a dealer might be able to tell you the differences, or you could contact Pass directly. They are very good about answering questions. It may also come down to whether one box or two makes a difference in your set up. A used XP20 will lose less value if you decide to sell it compared to a new XP12 because it is already somewhat depreciated. It's just the way things are.

Tell us about the rest of your system.

EDIT, corrected "27" for "22". The XP27 is the new two box phono stage. The XP22 is the new two box preamp.
 
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Snoopy72

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Peter,
Thanks for the responded. Currently i have Wyred4sound DAC2 DSDse V2, Parasound JC2, Modwright KWA-150SE, Adam Classic column MK3 passive, and Audience AU-24SE for ICs/SP. I'm thinking getting used XP20 but open to all the suggestion.
 
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Contact Kent English at Pass customer service. He's very good at answering these kinds of questions in general and within the context of your system and musical preferences.
 

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I recently directly compared my XP-20 to the new XP-27 and after three weeks decided to upgrade to the new model.
Peter, you mean XP-22, not XP-27.
 

BlueFox

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Peter,
Thanks for the responded. Currently i have Wyred4sound DAC2 DSDse V2, Parasound JC2, Modwright KWA-150SE, Adam Classic column MK3 passive, and Audience AU-24SE for ICs/SP. I'm thinking getting used XP20 but open to all the suggestion.
Not sure where it ended up, but I traded in an XP-20 with a Revelation Audio silver cyro umbilical for my XP-22. If you can get that then go for it. :)
 

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I have a similar question.

I currently have an Aleph P that I want to upgrade, to either a xp-12 or xp-20.
My system is totaldac d1-six (heading towards a seven) feeding two systems.
1. BHSE, Stax 007
2. Ayon monoblocks to Nola metrogrand speakers

I currently run both balanced from the Aleph P (one of the few choices with 2 balanced outputs).
I plan to run balanced to the Ayon (30 ft mogami today) and single ended (1m) to the BHSE.

The options I'm considering are xp-12, xp-20, xp-20 with revelation audio umbilical.
The big unknown for me is the xp-12/xp-20 comparison.

What do you folks think?
 
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I have a similar question.

I currently have an Aleph P that I want to upgrade, to either a xp-12 or xp-20.
My system is totaldac d1-six (heading towards a seven) feeding two systems.
1. BHSE, Stax 007
2. Ayon monoblocks to Nola metrogrand speakers

I currently run both balanced from the Aleph P (one of the few choices with 2 balanced outputs).
I plan to run balanced to the Ayon (30 ft mogami today) and single ended (1m) to the BHSE.

The options I'm considering are xp-12, xp-20, xp-20 with revelation audio umbilical.
The big unknown for me is the xp-12/xp-20 comparison.

What do you folks think?
the question has become irrelevant...........i pushed the button on a xp-22 and made the point moot
 

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