New Tape Copies by Revox

[Ron Resnick]

It looks like ReVox, as part of the release of its new tape machine, will be involved with releasing copies of tapes:

In the Revox KLANGWERK, Revox has now set up a copying line with a Horch House Master System consisting of professional Studer / Revox tape machines. Here, the exclusive master tapes with the original recordings from the recording studios are copied slowly and with the greatest care at 1:1 speed in the best possible quality. From October 2024, something very special will be created for tape lovers in Villingen. With the Revox Master Tapes, they will have the opportunity to enjoy the analog quality from the recording studios in their own living room, completely unadulterated and truly analog.

Revox thus unites the world of tape recorders and master tapes in an impressive synergy and uniqueness - only from Revox.​

https://revox.com/world/music-shop/

 

[byrdparis]

already ordered one, lets see when it will arrive.

 

[Ron Resnick]

already ordered one, lets see when it will arrive.

You ordered the machine, or you ordered a tape?

 

[adrianywu]

The Revox branded tapes are significantly more expensive than those sold by Horch House, even though they are supposed to be produced the same way.

 

[byrdparis]

You ordered the machine, or you ordered a tape?

with all respect to REVOX and their upcoming b77mk3, im not buying this one for 16K!
i am very happily listening with AAD TP1000 for a few months now.

i ordered one of their TAPE...
simon philips studio session.

 

[Bruce B]

The Revox branded tapes are significantly more expensive than those sold by Horch House, even though they are supposed to be produced the same way.

Tapes are produced via a Studer A80....

 

[Amir]

New production

The Return of an Icon: The New Revox B77 MK III Tape Recorder

A German company called Revox Klangwerk is now manufacturing reel to reel machines again, and is selling improved versions of the famous Revox B77 reel-to-reel analog recorder. Given the demand, and following a limited reissue B77 MK II in 2023, the company is now introducing the new Revox B77...

audioxpress.com

 

[astrotoy]

Looks like the tape albums are using the thinner LPR90 1 mil tape, much like Horch does for its medium priced tapes, so that a normal 2 reel album (using SM900 1.5 mil tape for example) would only need 1 reel - saving 50% on the reel/tape cost as well as some on the packaging. There is some greater issue with print through on the thinner tape and the thicker version typically can be recorded slightly hotter. Also the thicker tape is easier to handle. The thinner tape gives significant cost savings as well as less storage space.

Overall, this allows a lower price (480 Euros still is not cheap).

Larry

 

[Foxbat]

It will take an act of Congress for me to buy another HH tape.

 

[dminches]

If one breaks done the cost of producing these tapes I would think that the licensing is the biggest component. Next could be the tape stock or maybe the amortized cost of the machine's and people to do the dubbing. My thinking is that the difference in cost between 1 and 2 tapes is much less than what they are charging.

 

[adrianywu]

Looks like the tape albums are using the thinner LPR90 1 mil tape, much like Horch does for its medium priced tapes, so that a normal 2 reel album (using SM900 1.5 mil tape for example) would only need 1 reel - saving 50% on the reel/tape cost as well as some on the packaging. There is some greater issue with print through on the thinner tape and the thicker version typically can be recorded slightly hotter. Also the thicker tape is easier to handle. The thinner tape gives significant cost savings as well as less storage space.

Overall, this allows a lower price (480 Euros still is not cheap).

Larry

I think it is Ok to use 1mil tape on 7" reels, but with 10.5" reels, the extra weight means higher risk of stretching and breaking, unless the machine has excellent mechanical function.

 

[Foxbat]

Problem is - many albums are longer, that 33 minutes, but not by much.

In which case if you go with thick tape you end up with two near-empty reels, and a lot of rewinding time.

The answer, of course, is optional 12.5" reels. Or an AEG DIN pancake.

Unfortunately, no company, to my knowledge, offers such format flexibility.

 

[stellavox]

It will take an act of Congress for me to buy another HH tape.

Then order before Jan 6

 

[Foxbat]

 

[c1ferrari]

Looks like the tape albums are using the thinner LPR90 1 mil tape, much like Horch does for its medium priced tapes, so that a normal 2 reel album (using SM900 1.5 mil tape for example) would only need 1 reel - saving 50% on the reel/tape cost as well as some on the packaging. There is some greater issue with print through on the thinner tape and the thicker version typically can be recorded slightly hotter. Also the thicker tape is easier to handle. The thinner tape gives significant cost savings as well as less storage space.

Overall, this allows a lower price (480 Euros still is not cheap).

Larry

Really ... SM900 @ 1.5 mil? I'd come across data that RTM SM900 specs SM900 @ 2.05 mil TOTAL nominal thickness.

 

[Kingrex]

Problem is - many albums are longer, that 33 minutes, but not by much.

In which case if you go with thick tape you end up with two near-empty reels, and a lot of rewinding time.

The answer, of course, is optional 12.5" reels. Or an AEG DIN pancake.

Unfortunately, no company, to my knowledge, offers such format flexibility.

I see this is as opposite. I would rather have 2 reels per album of thicker tape. Less ghosting. Quick rewind to listen to one side. Sometimes I don’t want to be committed to a long session with 1 album.

 

[astrotoy]

Really ... SM900 @ 1.5 mil? I'd come across data that RTM SM900 specs SM900 @ 2.05 mil TOTAL nominal thickness.

I have always seen the tape widths listed by the width of the base tape, not including the coating. So the normal tapes like SM468, SM911, SM900, etc. are all listed as 1.5 mil, while tapes like LPR90, LPR35, Capture 930 are listed as 1 mil. Larry

 

[adrianywu]

I see this is as opposite. I would rather have 2 reels per album of thicker tape. Less ghosting. Quick rewind to listen to one side. Sometimes I don’t want to be committed to a long session with 1 album.

You can get 48 min onto a 10.5” reel using 1mil tape versus 33 minutes for 1.5mil tape. I just use 12” reels if I want to get an entire album using 1.5mil tape onto one reel. This saves storage space and it is more satisfying to hear the whole performance without interruption.

 

[Foxbat]

I see this is as opposite. I would rather have 2 reels per album of thicker tape. Less ghosting. Quick rewind to listen to one side. Sometimes I don’t want to be committed to a long session with 1 album.

It all depends on how you treat your tape. I don't do quick rewinds, I always use slow wind, and I never switch into a FF when the music is over but there is still some tape left - I let the tape roll at its play speed. I don't wait for it to run out to play the second tape, I have the ready to go second tape on another machine. The movements are usually meant to be played close to each other.

All this adds a LOT of inconvenience.

But that is just me. In one recent case I asked the producer if he could put his two tape album on one 12.5" reel if I supplied it, and he agreed.

To me such flexibility is great.

 

[Kingrex]

It all depends on how you treat your tape. I don't do quick rewinds, I always use slow wind, and I never switch into a FF when the music is over but there is still some tape left - I let the tape roll at its play speed. I don't wait for it to run out to play the second tape, I have the ready to go second tape on another machine. The movements are usually meant to be played close to each other.

All this adds a LOT of inconvenience.

But that is just me. In one recent case I asked the producer if he could put his two tape album on one 12.5" reel if I supplied it, and he agreed.

To me such flexibility is great.

I wish I had library rewind.