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What is your source regarding engine #198?
For what it's worth, this is what I see under the Baltic 3 Highlights on the Lampi Poland website:
  • Engine #53A our newest 2022 engine also with DSD256 on board
Slightly different on the Lampi North America site:

Engine #53a our best selling engine also with DSD256 on board

The Baltic 3 product brochure references Engine #53.
 
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For what it's worth, this is what I see under the Baltic 3 on the Lampi Poland website:
  • Engine #53A our newest 2022 engine also with DSD256 on board
Perhaps, 53A is what is used in the Baltic.
I'm having my DAC (Amber 3) upgraded from engine #53 to #198 among other things, as we speak, so it can updated from Amber 3 to Amber 4 status.
That is why I inquired about the source of the info regarding engine #198.
Only, the info that I have is considerably different:
the board is not USB programmable but instead it has FPGA coding, it uses a chip by a well known chip manufacturer but the implementation is all Lampi and the boards are made for Lampi locally and not re-purposed from another product, as was suggested in L3RD's post, if I read it correctly that is.
And although Lampi evolve their designs, their older engines -be it R to R, ΔΣ, or other- still proliferate and customers sometimes choose to buy a re-furbished DAC that has an older engine (if and when available) because its still good value.
 
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For what it's worth, this is what I see under the Baltic 3 Highlights on the Lampi Poland website:
  • Engine #53A our newest 2022 engine also with DSD256 on board
Slightly different on the Lampi North America site:

Engine #53a our best selling engine also with DSD256 on board

The Baltic 3 product brochure references Engine #53.
 

L3RD

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Thanks. I think that these numbers are pretty confusing myself. They would be more easily grappled with if they were sequential, but we all know about opinions. Sorry for my memory laps, glad you asked and we got it straightened out.
 

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To make it even more confusing, I received my Baltic 3 in March and was told it is using the latest engine being #40A….who knows what’s really going on
 

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To make it even more confusing, I received my Baltic 3 in March and was told it is using the latest engine being #40A….who knows what’s really going on
Well. I am sure that it's an improvement, but it's certainly somewhat perplexing. When I bought my Yggdrasil Schiit had just upgraded the analog board, but unlike Lampizator, they didn't even let new purchasers know that they had done so, but certainly folks who had purchased just before they quietly shipped the upgrade were perplexed. I don't run such a business, so my opinions are not based on experience in the business. We're all entitled to our opinions, but holding an opinion doesn't make us right. That said, I understand what you mean. I don't know how they are working things. I know that PS Audio allows customers to upgrade their software over the internet. I'm not buying a PS Audio DAC, so obviously such upgrades are not sufficiently critical to me to motivate me to purchase a PS Audio DAC/Streamer.
 

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In fairness to manufacturers, there is a well known global semiconductor shortage and I wouldn't blame them for consolidating all their production onto a single chip which they can buy now in sufficient quantities to cover production needs for the foreseeable future. If it also happens to sound better, then that's a win win situation for producer and consumer but is just one part of the contributing factors to sound quality e.g. also output stage / coupling caps / psu etc.
 
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In fairness to manufacturers, there is a well known global semiconductor shortage and I wouldn't blame them for consolidating all their production onto a single chip which they can buy now in sufficient quantities to cover production needs for the foreseeable future. If it also happens to sound better, then that's a win win situation for producer and consumer but is just one part of the contributing factors to sound quality e.g. also output stage / coupling caps / psu etc.
I have spoken to the folks from AKM in Munich at the show. They still don't know when their refreshed chips are going to be widely available. They were mentioning next year for full availability, but some manufacturers might get theirs earlier.
 

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I'm not really sure what difference does it make to the end user per se to know which dig engine is used in particular DAC. You are not buying B3/A4/TRP/GG2 or whichever DAC as it has inside xyz digital engine, but as a finished product delivering specific sound or end result. I'm more than confident that if they felt a need to change the designation of the DACs they would do it based on the swap of the dig engine. Maybe they should just scrap the dig engine codes which they are publishing as I don't see it as a relevant info to the end user.
 

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For what it's worth, this is what I see under the Baltic 3 Highlights on the Lampi Poland website:
  • Engine #53A our newest 2022 engine also with DSD256 on board
Slightly different on the Lampi North America site:

Engine #53a our best selling engine also with DSD256 on board

The Baltic 3 product brochure references Engine #53.
Hi Ted, I found this;

Post in thread 'Lampizator Best300B Dac?' https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/lampizator-best300b-dac.34957/post-800807

I read so much spread out over the internet that I lost track of some sources. So I was told that the engines were the same, but it was misinformation. The sale appears to be on again, so we'll see hopefully soon when it will shjp.
 

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I'm not really sure what difference does it make to the end user per se to know which dig engine is used in particular DAC. You are not buying B3/A4/TRP/GG2 or whichever DAC as it has inside xyz digital engine, but as a finished product delivering specific sound or end result. I'm more than confident that if they felt a need to change the designation of the DACs they would do it based on the swap of the dig engine. Maybe they should just scrap the dig engine codes which they are publishing as I don't see it as a relevant info to the end user.
I think the point is that if a manufacturer is promoting that they are using their latest digital engine from a certain date, then one would expect this is the best they now offer. As a buyer you obviously want to ensure you have the latest, particularly if you have purchased around the time of any change. What difference a #40 v #53A makes I have no idea, but I was told mine had the latest engine available which I believe changed in March - seems to be a comms issue somewhere in the chain…
 
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I think the point is that if a manufacturer is promoting that they are using their latest digital engine from a certain date, then one would expect this is the best they now offer. As a buyer you obviously want to ensure you have the latest, particularly if you have purchased around the time of any change. What difference a #40 v #53A makes I have no idea, but I was told mine had the latest engine available which I believe changed in March - seems to be a comms issue somewhere in the chain…
The thing is, as far as know, they are using one chip which is preprogrammed, and they have attained permission to d/l and modify the program, so the different "engines" are the same programmable chip. I don't recall what they call the chip. I am not a fan of programmable chips, mind you I'm talking about 15 or so years old equipment, but after electrolytic capacitors, IME, proms and e/eeproms are high failure rate parts. I might just look into these and d/l the software in case my chip has an issue, but probably not. At my age the chip will likely outlast me.
 

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As I'm using VT99/6F8G tubes I was having one of those weak moments where I as usual was staring at those those nice looking Woo Audio adapters and then I accidentally happened to put them into the shopping cart and all of a sudden I hit that checkout button and off they went on a plane and arrived with me yesterday! :D

They look lovely, build quality feels solid, but I wasn't really expecting that much sound wise to be honest, but it does indeed sound different with these adapters! After all adapters is something that is just in the way, so the more they can stay out of the way the better I guess. Quite expensive adapters though, but...

 

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As I'm using VT99/6F8G tubes I was having one of those weak moments where I as usual was staring at those those nice looking Woo Audio adapters and then I accidentally happened to put them into the shopping cart and all of a sudden I hit that checkout button and off they went on a plane and arrived with me yesterday! :D

They look lovely, build quality feels solid, but I wasn't really expecting that much sound wise to be honest, but it does indeed sound different with these adapters! After all adapters is something that is just in the way, so the more they can stay out of the way the better I guess. Quite expensive adapters though, but...

I think that I have a pair of those, but I am not certain that I ever tried them. The E-6SN7 tubes sound so good that I haven't swapped tubes in years. Don Sachs has upgraded the preamp over the years and I have kept up with the modifications with the exception of the internal wiring. I have forgotten what wire he is currently using, but I don't believe that they normally sell wire, just ICs, but as Don is a manufacturer...
 

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I'm not really sure what difference does it make to the end user per se to know which dig engine is used in particular DAC. You are not buying B3/A4/TRP/GG2 or whichever DAC as it has inside xyz digital engine, but as a finished product delivering specific sound or end result. I'm more than confident that if they felt a need to change the designation of the DACs they would do it based on the swap of the dig engine. Maybe they should just scrap the dig engine codes which they are publishing as I don't see it as a relevant info to the end user.
Yes, exactly. When I went ahead with upgrading my DAC, I didn't ask which engine designation the new one is gonna be. I just assumed it'd be #198 or whatever. The SQ jump from going from Amber 2 to Amber 3 was so great that if t's going to be repeated with Amber 4, I wouldn't really care if it's engine #666 inside...:)
 

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Yes, exactly. When I went ahead with upgrading my DAC, I didn't ask which engine designation the new one is gonna be. I just assumed it'd be #198 or whatever. The SQ jump from going from Amber 2 to Amber 3 was so great that if t's going to be repeated with Amber 4, I wouldn't really care if it's engine #666 inside...:)

Indeed! The Amber 3 was pure joy, a lot of fun, good value and I liked it very much. Baltic 3 took things further and also finally dragged me down the tube rolling path... but sometimes I can miss the simplicity of the Amber 3 and older non-exposed tube models and I bet your new Amber 4 will be awesome!
 
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L3RD

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I'm not really sure what difference does it make to the end user per se to know which dig engine is used in particular DAC. You are not buying B3/A4/TRP/GG2 or whichever DAC as it has inside xyz digital engine, but as a finished product delivering specific sound or end result. I'm more than confident that if they felt a need to change the designation of the DACs they would do it based on the swap of the dig engine. Maybe they should just scrap the dig engine codes which they are publishing as I don't see it as a relevant info to the end user.
The difference as it effects the sound would be of interest to me. When a new incarnation comes around I might want more, and the designation would alert me to that. Personally I don't see myself chasing these mods, but the guy who always wants to be on the cutting edge of a particular build might be.
 

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Yes, heater current is double 12au7 and factory clearance has been obtained. Here’s another e80cc comparison, this time against the revered amperex 7316

Mark, when using the Tungsram tubes with the Baltic 3, do you have to use the Baltic on the high-gain mode or can you use on low-gain?
 

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I just placed my order for the Baltic 3 with copper chassis and volume control. Turns out, all Baltics (maybe all Lampi’s) with the VC option now come with the larger Pacific display and remove the ring light as of June 1st. Just wanted to mention for those considering purchasing one. I’ll post pics once I receive it, hopefully in mid-July.

I also ordered the upgraded EML mesh rectifier with it, as recommended by Rob at lampizatorna.com.

Once I get the Baltic 3 and get used to its sound, I’m planning to upgrade my amp (a mildly restored Jolida 502b with some legit NOS tubes and KT120s) to AGD Audion monoblocks, or possibly the Vivace (or even Grand Vivace) depending on my budget at the time. Anyone use any Lampis with AGD amps? I’m curious how well they’ll play together.
 
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