Lampizator announcement: launch of our all new TOTL HORIZON DAC

[Whbgarrett]

Tell us what the signal tubes are

I have a copper top BTW Love it. My Pacific also had a copper top

Well, that is a good question. Not being a tube maven, and the tubes not having come in a box, I am not certain. Looks Russian, maybe 6N2P?

 

[Steve Williams]

you got blue globes....very nice
Kr 5u4g
KT 88

 

[marty]

I have a copper top BTW Love it. My Pacific also had a copper top

Is your copper top a painted top as Lukasz note to Whbgarrett implied? I thought the copper top on your Pacific was real copper, not painted copper.

 

[Whbgarrett]

you got blue globes....very nice
Kr 5u4g
KT 88

That part I knew. I was trying to figure out what extra signal tubes Lukasz threw in.

 

[Tuckia]

Is your copper top a painted top as Lukasz note to Whbgarrett implied? I thought the copper top on your Pacific was real copper, not painted copper.

Just checked my Pacific. It’s real copper. Rodney just told me his Horizon is real copper. Not sure why Lukasz said painted, unless he was referring to the clear coat.

 

[Steve Williams]

Is your copper top a painted top as Lukasz note to Whbgarrett implied? I thought the copper top on your Pacific was real copper, not painted copper.

real copper top on both units

The one on the horizon is nicer than that on the Pacific. Before Lukasz shipped my unit he had a painted copper top that he wanted to show me before it shipped and the copper tops were due to arrive literally the day the unit was to ship. So initial photos of mine were not my final unit

I do have however the only front of its kind of the 400 to be produced

 

[Whbgarrett]

IIRC, real copper is a $500 option on the Horizon.

 

[Steve Williams]

Lukasz told me he is having trouble sourcing copper.

 

[takacs75]

I try to summarize my toughts on Horizon:

1. It is the best source that I’ve ever heard. Better than any dac, cd player or even analog in any system.

2. Preamp. I had a 35.000€ Audionet Stern preamp. It was part of the Horizon deal, so it had to go. I asked the dealer to keep it for a couple of weeks just to make sure, that I don’t need it. When I first reconnented the preamp I was very confused. I said I made a huge mistake, it was much better with it. Then after I while I tried again without preamp. This time I prefered without preamp. It was more envolving and musical but less 3D and soundstage collapsed. Meanwhile I’ve received the Takatsuki and the Treasure Globe tubes.
Than I listened to it again with preamp, and I preferd it. I did it for at least 5 times, and I could not decide which is the best for me. Till yesterday when the whole word changed Tungsol tubes arrived. I can say with confident that upgrading tubes makes more significant change in sound (positive) than my expensive preamp. I don’t say that it is true for every system and preamp. At the moment I am extremly happy with my set-up without preamp. And it very cost effective. No need for an other powercord, ic, rack, fuse ect. The preamp in the Horizon needed a lot of time before started to show how good it is. And it is like a turbo charged engine. You have to push it hard. The real magic happens when the volume is set above 40-42. Like a catapult to the magic garden

3. Tubes matters a lot. With stock tubes I would say you get only 60-70% of what Horizon capable. Yesterday I added Tungsol KT-170.

(I have Treasure Globe 6SN7-SE GF Limited Special Edition, Takatsuki 274B, Tungsol KT-170)​

After about 2-3 hours a real miracle happend. That kind which you exprience only a couple of times in your life. True magic, someting unreal, when time stops or doesn’t exist anymore. Something transcendent when you feel every note and understand. You can feel all the pain and joy of the musicians, and all the trauma, and drama behind it. The music flows in you, you don’t have body just soul, and you just cry and cry. That good is the Horizon. Maybe it could be even better with nos tubes but honestly I don’t care. This tubes are available most of the time.

4. Fuse. It matters a lot too. I use OSA red-black fuse with the Horizon and will upgrade to silver .Give it a try you won’t regret!

 

[howiebrou]

I try to summarize my toughts on Horizon:

1. It is the best source that I’ve ever heard. Better than any dac, cd player or even analog in any system.

2. Preamp. I had a 35.000€ Audionet Stern preamp. It was part of the Horizon deal, so it had to go. I asked the dealer to keep it for a couple of weeks just to make sure, that I don’t need it. When I first reconnented the preamp I was very confused. I said I made a huge mistake, it was much better with it. Then after I while I tried again without preamp. This time I prefered without preamp. It was more envolving and musical but less 3D and soundstage collapsed. Meanwhile I’ve received the Takatsuki and the Treasure Globe tubes.
Than I listened to it again with preamp, and I preferd it. I did it for at least 5 times, and I could not decide which is the best for me. Till yesterday when the whole word changed Tungsol tubes arrived. I can say with confident that upgrading tubes makes more significant change in sound (positive) than my expensive preamp. I don’t say that it is true for every system and preamp. At the moment I am extremly happy with my set-up without preamp. And it very cost effective. No need for an other powercord, ic, rack, fuse ect. The preamp in the Horizon needed a lot of time before started to show how good it is. And it is like a turbo charged engine. You have to push it hard. The real magic happens when the volume is set above 40-42. Like a catapult to the magic garden

3. Tubes matters a lot. With stock tubes I would say you get only 60-70% of what Horizon capable. Yesterday I added Tungsol KT-170.

(I have Treasure Globe 6SN7-SE GF Limited Special Edition, Takatsuki 274B, Tungsol KT-170)​

After about 2-3 hours a real miracle happend. That kind which you exprience only a couple of times in your life. True magic, someting unreal, when time stops or doesn’t exist anymore. Something transcendent when you feel every note and understand. You can feel all the pain and joy of the musicians, and all the trauma, and drama behind it. The music flows in you, you don’t have body just soul, and you just cry and cry. That good is the Horizon. Maybe it could be even better with nos tubes but honestly I don’t care. This tubes are available most of the time.

4. Fuse. It matters a lot too. I use OSA red-black fuse with the Horizon and will upgrade to silver .Give it a try you won’t regret!

How is the Horizon preamp with your analog set up? To me this is also important.

 

[Lukasz "Lampizator" Fikus]

That part I knew. I was trying to figure out what extra signal tubes Lukasz threw in.

6N1P

 

[Lukasz "Lampizator" Fikus]

Some nice sentiments expressed here regarding service. But I'm a numbers kind of guy. So let's look at that since a broad range of Horizon production rates have been implied over time.

Forgive me if this isn't completely accurate, it's all I have to work with.

#6 might deliver today. That's a production rate of .66 units per week.

The earliest projections showed that I would have a unit already. Now it projects out to 12-7-2022. I sold equipment to put a bow on funding for the earliest possible delivery. No promises were made, but just trying to be ready.

I'm sure some of you here have the option to walk over to the barn and pick out a Ferrari to drive while your skunk works Porsche is being handbuilt by artisans. (The last car I ordered showed a production date and delivery date at time of order. But that's an ERP driven world.) But if you need to sell the Escort to fund the purchase, you might want to be aware of how much walking is in your future. CSB #1.

Feel free to correct me on how wrong I am, and I hope I'm wrong, but please, no smoke and mirrors.

Sir you are mistaking total output with USA deliveries. Or group members for that matter. We are at #20 just being completed

 

[takacs75]

How is the Horizon preamp with your analog set up? To me this is also important.

I sold my analog set-up couple of years ago so can’t tell you this.

 

[matthias]

1. It is the best source that I’ve ever heard. Better than any dac, cd player or even analog in any system.

Just to be fair: The source is Taiko Extreme and Horizon as combo.

 

[howiebrou]

I sold my analog set-up couple of years ago so can’t tell you this.

Ah ok. Thanks.

 

[takacs75]

Just to be fair: The source is Taiko Extreme and Horizon as combo.

Yes, it is true

 

[Golum]

Sir you are mistaking total output with USA deliveries. Or group members for that matter. We are at #20 just being completed

13 to go…

 

[Charlie B.]

13 to go…

30 to go…

 

[Steve Williams]

I try to summarize my toughts on Horizon:

1. It is the best source that I’ve ever heard. Better than any dac, cd player or even analog in any system.

2. Preamp. I had a 35.000€ Audionet Stern preamp. It was part of the Horizon deal, so it had to go. I asked the dealer to keep it for a couple of weeks just to make sure, that I don’t need it. When I first reconnented the preamp I was very confused. I said I made a huge mistake, it was much better with it. Then after I while I tried again without preamp. This time I prefered without preamp. It was more envolving and musical but less 3D and soundstage collapsed. Meanwhile I’ve received the Takatsuki and the Treasure Globe tubes.
Than I listened to it again with preamp, and I preferd it. I did it for at least 5 times, and I could not decide which is the best for me. Till yesterday when the whole word changed Tungsol tubes arrived. I can say with confident that upgrading tubes makes more significant change in sound (positive) than my expensive preamp. I don’t say that it is true for every system and preamp. At the moment I am extremly happy with my set-up without preamp. And it very cost effective. No need for an other powercord, ic, rack, fuse ect. The preamp in the Horizon needed a lot of time before started to show how good it is. And it is like a turbo charged engine. You have to push it hard. The real magic happens when the volume is set above 40-42. Like a catapult to the magic garden

3. Tubes matters a lot. With stock tubes I would say you get only 60-70% of what Horizon capable. Yesterday I added Tungsol KT-170.

(I have Treasure Globe 6SN7-SE GF Limited Special Edition, Takatsuki 274B, Tungsol KT-170)​

After about 2-3 hours a real miracle happend. That kind which you exprience only a couple of times in your life. True magic, someting unreal, when time stops or doesn’t exist anymore. Something transcendent when you feel every note and understand. You can feel all the pain and joy of the musicians, and all the trauma, and drama behind it. The music flows in you, you don’t have body just soul, and you just cry and cry. That good is the Horizon. Maybe it could be even better with nos tubes but honestly I don’t care. This tubes are available most of the time.

4. Fuse. It matters a lot too. I use OSA red-black fuse with the Horizon and will upgrade to silver .Give it a try you won’t regret!

I totally agree on everything although I will take a pass on using different fuses

Like you I had 2 epiphanies when I changed tubes. First was swapping the KR 5u4g for the Takatsuki 274B. It lit up my ears. Just when I thought it couldn't get any better I changed the KR KT88 (which BTW are superb) for a quad set of TungSol KT170 and as you, I have not heard any better digital in my system.....ever

Congratulations and welcome to all of the fun

 

[takacs75]

I totally agree on everything although I will take a pass on using different fuses

Like you I had 2 epiphanies when I changed tubes. First was swapping the KR 5u4g for the Takatsuki 274B. Italic up my ears. Just when I thought it couldn't get any better I changed the KR KT88 (which BTW are superb) for a quad set of TungSol KT170 and as you, I have not heard any better digital in my system.....ever

Congratulations and welcome to all of the fun

You should try QSA fuse. It is like changing the KR to Takatsuki. Or even bigger
Post in thread 'QSA : My take on their expensive products'
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/qsa-my-take-on-their-expensive-products.33833/post-756041