Is OLED really better than a tweaked out Pioneer KRP-500M Plasma ?

Mike Lavigne

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the Pioneer is discontinued.

and that LG B7 OLED is down the line from the top level units; not OLED at or near it's best.

so not only is your compare not relevant to current market choices, but generalizing about all OLED's with that thread title is misleading.
 

XV-1

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My Sony Fald 75 inch lcd has better pq than my old Pioneer Kuro. I gave the Kuro away.
Time to move on
 

Mike Lavigne

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This tweaked out Plasma TV has a more natural image than today's artificial looking panels!
you have every right to have that opinion, if you relate this mythical Plasma TV to the best current OLED, but give that OLED the best current media and it's not close.

i own a 720p, 14 year old, 50" Fujitsu ($8000 msrp back in 2004) that still has a fabulous picture in my family room and never get tired of it's picture.

but the best 4k HDR content on my 65" Sony A1E smokes it.
 
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you have every right to have that opinion, if you relate this mythical Plasma TV to the best current OLED, but give that OLED the best current media and it's not close.

i own a 720p, 14 year old, 50" Fujitsu ($8000 msrp back in 2004) that still has a fabulous picture in my family room and never get tired of it's picture.

but the best 4k HDR content on my 65" Sony A1E smokes it.
https://www.videomaker.com/videonew...but-dont-expect-more-resolution-any-time-soon
 
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The 1080p Pioneer plasma TVs don't support UHD 4K HDR10+ Dolby Vision HLG HDMI 2.1 8K.
Plus yours is only a 50" Class; OLED is available in 65 and 75".

That YouTube video from the first post is from August 23, 2017, eighteen months old.
In Canada and in Europe we have Panasonic OLEDs that are rated best in the world.
In the USA they have LG and Sony top of the lines OLED TVs that can display HDR, HLG, Dolby Vision, 4K Colors and Contrast and Resolution.

Pioneer Kuro Elite plasmas were good, are still good, with the best blacks.
OLED TVs have blacks that are equal, plus High Dynamic Range in Colors and Contrast.

The LG C8 2018 65" model was on sale not long ago for $1,999
It is rated the best OLED TV by the majority of video experts.
Check it out @ a video store near you. Buy it and compare to your Pioneer plasma side by side, play 'Blade Runner 2049' from the 4K Blu-ray on the OLED, and the regular 1080p Blu-ray on your Plasma. Adjust both TVs from your best experience, or get them calibrated by a video ISF cal. expert.
If you still prefer your Pioneer plasma set, just return the LG for a full refund (within 30 days).

Not only you are going to keep it for the additional fifteen inches in diagonal but also for the sheer supremacy in picture quality. You'll be buying 4K content and making few trips @ the local thrift stores to make donations...1080p Blu-ray movies.

But wait, because the 2019 OLED models are still improving...some...from LG.
...With more advanced video processors.

Kuro used to be the King of Black, the plasma master. A lot of oily ink has spilled since then.
Check it out on the floors of next doors.
 

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Plasma TVs are ancient history.
 

ddk

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This tweaked out Plasma TV has a more natural image than today's artificial looking panels!
The artificiality on some of these new panels comes from resampling filters, don’t know what Samsung and others call them but Sony’s called Reality filter, I can’t watch it with it on. Unfortunately I can’t remove it from streaming services but it can be removed from wired inputs, for now. You don’t need a tweaked plasma to beat the latest and greatest with that type of filter any higher end older generation one will do for me.
david
 

Joe Whip

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One of the reasons I have not yet bought a 4K tv is the ever changing standards which now seem to be set. The other is that my Pioneer Elite on 1080p still looks superb. However, it will not play 4K material and will not do HDR which does look spectacular.
 
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Just a mention for what it's worth ...
On April first 2018 (almost a year ago) Oppo Digital division stopped manufacturing Blu-ray (4K) players. Just over a week ago Cambridge followed in the same steps, they won't make a 4K BR player anymore. And, just few days ago Samsung stopped manufacturing Blu-ray players and 4K Blu-ray players; no more that's it, they exited that segment for good.

Of course it's always about money. Most people, the vast majority of the public, they stream and download online, from their Netflix 4K subscription, Amazon Prime 4K Video, Hulu 4K, Vudu 4K, etc. The 4K Blu-ray business (best picture & sound) is a niche for the hardcore fans like me.

On 4K TVs; they are everywhere and they cost less (65") than our 20" cathode ray Sony TVs of years ago. Those were approsimately 330 interlaced (@ best), roughly forty times less resolution. I paid $1,000 for my 19" Sony Trinitron. For that money you can buy a 4K 75" Sharp TV.

I love my old LPs, turntables, TVs, old Plasma TV, old projection TV, Leica cameras, ...it's just that I like more the cameras today and newer 4K UHD HDR10 Dolby Vision TVs...OLED & some LED.

I like moving pictures, films, like Blade Runner (Ridley Scott), Unforgiven (Clint Eastwood), Saving Private Ryan (Steven Spielberg), The Matrix, Dunkirk, Interstellar, The Martian, Blade Runner 2049 (Denis Villeneuve), Planet Earth ll (BBC documentary), etc., and in 4K HDR they are that much more attractive, very. I can see it very clearly, Mike Lavigne can see it very clearly, many 4K viewers can see it very clearly. Not all 4K movies are created equal, but the best among them are truly better than their regular 2K counterparts.

Out of the just few ones I mentioned above, The Martian and Blade Runner 2049 I also have in 3D. Those I like too...I feel sad that they are only in 1080p.

Lawrence of Arabia (Sony/Columbia) is not on 4K Blu-ray, yet. So a 1080p Plasma TV is just fine still.
Can you stream it? Is a plasma TV enough to enjoy the best?
It all depends of who's asking and who's answering.
I have no illusion.

"While we’re on the subject of Sony, this is both good news and bad news: Sony has recently made Sir David Lean’s Lawrence of Arabia available in 4K... as a digital exclusive (on iTunes, Amazon Prime, and elsewhere). To which we reply: WHAT THE HELL?! The download reportedly doesn’t have HDR, but so what? Sony... what the hell are you waiting for?! "
 
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MicroLED is supposed to give the picture enough punch to fully exploit the HDR maximum potential.
Plus, it supposed to make the permanent Burn-In issue a thing of obsolete past.

If it delivers on both aspects, plus eliminating Motion Blur completely, plus supporting 120 and 240fps High Frame Rate @ 600Hz refresh rate, plus 8K with HDMI 2.1, plus 3D @ 4K UHD HDR, plus screen sizes of 100 inches diagonally, plus support of Dolby Cinema & IMAX, plus for less than five or three grands, ...we will be very deeply involved with 5G telecommunication technology @ that time, and working on how to prevent cancerous nocive super high transmitted radio wave frequencies @ the threshold of Artificial Intelligence and the precipice of humanity collapse mixed with climate transformation.

Most of us won't be here to witness the edge of the new boss; AI dominance over humans, robots ruling planet Earth.

Yes, MicroLED is the future of televisions. Right now the present is flaw but that's the best we've got...OLED.
 
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MicroLED is supposed to give the picture enough punch to fully exploit the HDR maximum potential.
Plus, it supposed to make the permanent Burn-In issue a thing of obsolete past.

If it delivers on both aspects, plus eliminating Motion Blur completely, plus supporting 120 and 240fps High Frame Rate @ 600Hz refresh rate, plus 8K with HDMI 2.1, plus 3D @ 4K UHD HDR, plus screen sizes of 100 inches diagonally, plus support of Dolby Cinema & IMAX, plus for less than five or three grands, ...we will be very deeply involved with 5G telecommunication technology @ that time, and working on how to prevent cancerous nocive super high transmitted radio wave frequencies @ the threshold of Artificial Intelligence and the precipice of humanity collapse mixed with climate transformation.

Most of us won't be here to witness the edge of the new boss; AI dominance over humans, robots ruling planet Earth.

Yes, MicroLED is the future of televisions. Right now the present is flaw but that's the best we've got...OLED.
Oled's Reliability is Oled's biggest flaw...
 
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With OLED (emissive technology like plasma) one of the main precautions to take is content.
...To prevent permanent burn-in captive images, logos, numbers, scores, etc.

But other than that they are superior to other technologies overall.
Except for HDR true full potential; they are not as bright as LCD LED 4K TVs.
It's a personal preference and a personal decision on the few compromises that each viewer can accept or not.

True quality 4K material looks better on an OLED TV than a plasma TV.
The plasma TV has to do a downconversion...HDR > SDR ... High Dynamic Range to Standard Dynamic Range. So you're not only lose the 4K resolution but most importantly the High Dynamic Range, plus the expanded color gamut, less colors in your palette.
That conversion varies depending of the material, the source. Generally it looks awful, with blacks crushed, reds over exposed, details completely buried under an avalanche of inaccurate tones, colors, hues, contrast and brightness.
Best is to have an OLED 4K HDR TV for both 1080p and 4K material.
The biggest downfall since they stop after 2016 (OLED) is no more support for 3D; for me it is, but for most it isn't.

The Sony XBR Z9D UHD 4K/3D Fald (backlit) LED TV was the last breed of 3D support (2017 model). ...One of the best LED TVs ever made, and available in 65, 75 and 100" screen sizes.

There are many things I like best about OLED...from LG, Panasonic and Sony.

* The answer to the question, IMHO is that OLED looks nicer/better than the best tweaked Pioneer Kuro plasma TV. ...With 4K HDR content no doubt, and even with 1080p content upconverted to 4K UHD.
 

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The Sony XBR Z9D UHD 4K/3D Fald (backlit) LED TV was the last breed of 3D support (2017 model). ...One of the best LED TVs ever made, and available in 65, 75 and 100" screen sizes.
I agree with this. I love my 75” Z9D, and only use it for movies played with the Oppo 203.
 

Joe Whip

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I concur that micro led is the future. If I am not mistaken, there is a theater in South Korea that has a massive micro led screen which is incredible. So is the cost. A tv at home based on this tech as demoed at CES will be incredible as well. 8k and beyond in resolution, truly infinite blacks, etc. probably 5 years away and very expensive. But remember, the first 42 inch plasma which was roughly 480p, retailed for $15k. That price came down quickly. Same with OLEDs.
 

marslo

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I have Kuro 50 inches 2008 and Panasonic VT 20 in a holiday house plus a few HD LCDs for guests rooms.
For movies I have a dedicated room with Sony HW 50 ES and 120 inches matt white screen for both 2 and 3 D.
No need to change anything whatsoever.
 

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