In praise of idlers

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I'm placing the order Monday with Peter for the Solid 12 with the Schroder armboard. Purchase because necessary because the CB I just bought is the 11.1" version.... did that by accident. Doesn't fit my Aries. Next time I need to read the ad closer :)

Do you haver the controller? I'm getting the upgraded bearing but I think I want to hold off on the controller until I listen for awhile.

I have heard the PTP with Schroeder CB at Anamighty, and there Schroeder was better than the Schick in all aspects, and the STST motus II was quite better than the PTP as the next step up at Anamighty.
 
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I have heard the PTP with Schroeder CB at Anamighty, and there Schroeder was better than the Schick in all aspects, and the STST motus II was quite better than the PTP as the next step up at Anamighty.

I have heard both sides of this comparison since I know people that have spent time at Anamighty. For them the difference wasn't that cut and dry, given the differences between idler and DD... and with the STST being next level up cost-wise, I'm going to lean on that opinion and be happy with my purchase :)
 
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I have the brass cartridge carrier plate for the Schroder on order and I'm sticking with my AnaMighty DL103R for a while longer since it checked out fine when I had it looked at. I'm sure I'll be asking for cartridge advice after the first of the year!
 
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A very important skill in this hobby :)

I feel like a liar now (about being satisfied) since I reevaluated the PTP Solid 12 purchase based on advice from someone really smart. 401 project underway. 6 weeks of hell from the waiting is underway.
 

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Your issue with the Solid 12? I did briefly consider it, but decided to go with mods to my Salvation rim drive instead.
 

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I think ultimately the Solid 12 is a (very high) second tier table but the price delivered to the US, when you add in the extras, was about $5. I'm looking at spending less for a clearly better sounding table with a fully refurbished 401 and plinth. Plus there's a lot that can be done to make the 401 even better in the future.
 

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great thread, despite the inherent personality rumble...

I love my idlers, after years with great belt drives. The Teres 340 is in a box somewhere in the basement while thesse two have all the fun: A fully restored TD 124 Series 1 (very early first month of production!) with multiple arm options, and a Lenco L75/PTP 6 in slate with a Schroeder Reference and a Bokrand 12". Good times!


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Beautiful collection Robert! Which copper mat is that on your Lenco?
 

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Thank you! I have fun on a moderate budget!!
The mat is from SPH, and can be sourced from him in the trader’s section on Lenco Heaven. It’s absolutely superb.
Ok! I posted my interest there. Hopefully he has one left from his latest run.
 
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great thread, despite the inherent personality rumble...

I love my idlers, after years with great belt drives. The Teres 340 is in a box somewhere in the basement while thesse two have all the fun: A fully restored TD 124 Series 1 (very early first month of production!) with multiple arm options, and a Lenco L75/PTP 6 in slate with a Schroeder Reference and a Bokrand 12". Good times!


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Very nice collection.

Is the wooden tonearm a grado?

What cartridges are you using?
 

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Very nice collection.

Is the wooden tonearm a grado?

What cartridges are you using?
Yes the wood arm is a Grado, with a Shure M7D cartridge. A very nice pairing that just loves vocals and saxaphone. No earthshattering bass or angel-fart highs, but then again, none of that is there on the mostly ‘50s jazz i listen to.

The SME arm is a 3009 Series II non-improved with a wood-bodied Shure V15 iii with Jico SAS. Very nice, quite a rich sound. Likes Yo-Yo Ma a lot, handles my modest collection of baroque LPs very well.

The Signet XK-50 (same at the AT 1100) has a Signet TK10ml, all original, with maybe only 200 hours tops on it. This is an extremely high performance set up, with speed, breadth and depth. Gets a lot of play. There’s another arm wand for the Signet with a Micro Acoustics 3002, with sapphire cantilever and Fritz Geiger diamond by Joseph Long that is oh so close to being the best I’ve heard in the non MC cartridge world. But i have a 9-year old, so i keep it out of the way most of the time, and only play really pristine vinyl with it.

There’s an Infinty Black Widow with a new graphite arm tube (successful DIY replacement of a broken aluminum tube) with a Micro Acoustics 2002e with same Joseph Long stylus that is also amazing. The MAs are so so fast. Nothing else like them. And with Joseph’s magical work, an under $750 investment for cartridges that spank most MCs silly.
There are over 30 MM and MI carts i experiment with, between arms, headshells and wiring. I change my opinion frequently, and enjoy almost all of them. There are a number of Bang and Olufsen SP-series that i like, and an mmc-2 being retipped by Joseph Long, some Stantons and Pickerings, a Zu Denon dl103r, some ATs heavily modded (including an extremely rare ESE maya-1 with carbon fiber cantilever outriggers), a Sonus Blue Gold, an Ortofon MC20ml, and a few of my favorite off-the-radar MM, the Empire 880p. I just love that cart. Headshells are another can of worms…but i like worms.

The Lenco has a Schroeder Reference with an Allaerts MC-1b. This is for now my absolute best. It awaits me selling some unused but great cartridges so i can pair it with a Dave Slagle SUT. For now I’m using an EAT phono pre into my AirTight pre. The other arm is a Bokrand 12”, which is simply a work of art, and has an Ortofon SPU (Meister silver mk 2) that loves it.
I love this hobby, but i clearly have a problem. Thankfully I’m almost always broke due to 1) living in Manhattan, 2) being an architect, and 3) having expensive offspring.
 
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Yes the wood arm is a Grado, with a Shure M7D cartridge. A very nice pairing that just loves vocals and saxaphone. No earthshattering bass or angel-fart highs, but then again, none of that is there on the mostly ‘50s jazz i listen to.

The SME arm is a 3009 Series II non-improved with a wood-bodied Shure V15 iii with Jico SAS. Very nice, quite a rich sound. Likes Yo-Yo Ma a lot, handles my modest collection of baroque LPs very well.

The Signet XK-50 (same at the AT 1100) has a Signet TK10ml, all original, with maybe only 200 hours tops on it. This is an extremely high performance set up, with speed, breadth and depth. Gets a lot of play. There’s another arm wand for the Signet with a Micro Acoustics 3002, with sapphire cantilever and Fritz Geiger diamond by Joseph Long that is oh so close to being the best I’ve heard in the non MC cartridge world. But i have a 9-year old, so i keep it out of the way most of the time, and only play really pristine vinyl with it.

There’s an Infinty Black Widow with a new graphite arm tube (successful DIY replacement of a broken aluminum tube) with a Micro Acoustics 2002e with same Joseph Long stylus that is also amazing. The MAs are so so fast. Nothing else like them. And with Joseph’s magical work, an under $750 investment for cartridges that spank most MCs silly.
There are over 30 MM and MI carts i experiment with, between arms, headshells and wiring. I change my opinion frequently, and enjoy almost all of them. There are a number of Bang and Olufsen SP-series that i like, and an mmc-2 being retipped by Joseph Long, some Stantons and Pickerings, a Zu Denon dl103r, some ATs heavily modded (including an extremely rare ESE maya-1 with carbon fiber cantilever outriggers), a Sonus Blue Gold, an Ortofon MC20ml, and a few of my favorite off-the-radar MM, the Empire 880p. I just love that cart. Headshells are another can of worms…but i like worms.

The Lenco has a Schroeder Reference with an Allaerts MC-1b. This is for now my absolute best. It awaits me selling some unused but great cartridges so i can pair it with a Dave Slagle SUT. For now I’m using an EAT phono pre into my AirTight pre. The other arm is a Bokrand 12”, which is simply a work of art, and has an Ortofon SPU (Meister silver mk 2) that loves it.
I love this hobby, but i clearly have a problem. Thankfully I’m almost always broke due to 1) living in Manhattan, 2) being an architect, and 3) having expensive offspring.

Yes the spu’s really like the bokrand.

Back in 1973 when i invented scratch and hiphop i ruined a few of my dad’s b&o sp cartridges. Wish i had them now.
 
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