Has anyone heard the Devialet D-Premier Integrated Amp/DAC

[Petter]

yea

But i mostly after air 2 have 60 and up dbm honestly,but restart the Devialet helps sometimes !!
Now its 68,i have conneted the time capsule to the router with cable and shut down the orginal network in the house
I have Logitech Transporter with eterhnet cabel connectet to the router who also are connected to devialet with digi cabel,not so go sound as the air , but will be my solution so long this are going on

 

[Petter]

ha….just restarted the Devialet..off/on it dropped from 72 to 60 dbm at once ?

 

[marcor]

Hi new to the forum,

I managed to get my Devialet running up to an average between -9 and -11 dbm of noise still I am experiencing the dropouts. As stated by several before me, they increase with time to the point that is impossible to listen to a full album. This happens with 44kHz as well. I also did a test shutting off my computer and streaming from my ipad using devialet's app. It was in this case an album AAC compressed at 256 kbps, first 4 - 5 songs played fine then drop out kicked in. This makes me think the problem could be in the firmware rather than in AIR2 (or the ipad app use the same system that AIR 2 use to transmit the data). From the computer I was using bitPerfect option, I will try to switch that off and set manually the preferred format manually but I doubt I will see the difference.
Does anybody knows if it is possible to downgrade the firmware? I tried several time but every time I power it on with the old firmware on *** card it start with the default config without performing an update

 

[Steve Williams]

I thought that with firmware updates there is no going back

 

[marcor]

I thought that with firmware updates there is no going back

Some times there is the option to do an hard reset to factory settings and that in some cases include the firmware update. But I think you are right and it is not possible on the devialet.

cheers

M

 

[Nightmare]

I managed to get my Devialet running up to an average between -9 and -11 dbm of noise still I am experiencing the dropouts.

As Devialet is aware of the problems and confirmed them, users should lean back for a while and do not mess with their WiFi setup, that worked well before. No more exhausting experiences, but trust Devialet to fix the problem soon - hopefully. What I dislike is the fact, that there is still no information about it on the website of Devialet and that the software has not been removed from the site. More and more users will get these problems with the update, not knowing about them. As important especially in such a situation Devialet should communicate in a stronger way.

 

[colonel66]

Hi

Relatively new to this forum and I have read this thread with much interest and some disappointment re the streaming problems

I auditioned the Devialet in my system last year November for a period of three weeks. Suffice to say i was very impressed and wrote a short review on our local forum: http://www.avforums.co.za/index.php/topic,20230.15.html post 19. To my ears i much preferred it to my current ARC gear (heresy i know!)

I did not pull the trigger, as what i could realise from trading my gear did not cover the cost of a Premier D so i exercised restraint (with much difficulty).

Anyways the local distributor is sitting on stock of the Premier D and needs to move it to make way for the new models. Because of the stock issue coupled with the fact that i can realise 50% more from a sale of my pre and power amp, i can get two Premier D's for less cash outlay than one would have cost me in November 2012. I am happy to have the older Premier D versus the new version (which is EUR2000 more) plus from what i have read two in mono block form is the way to go.

But the above is predicated on me streaming music to the Premier D. I have only recently ripped all my CD's in Apple Lossless format to a mac mini and have been playing with streaming using a Squeezebox Touch and a second hand Metrum Octave DAC (an absolute bargain at $400). The mac mini is sited well away from the music room and via the Squeezebox Touch has played flawlessly via Wi Fi.

The streaming dropout issues would prove very bothersome for me and ruin my listening sessions. Patience is not my virtue!

So in your opinion should i still go for (in my opinion) the deal of the century and then use the Squeezebox until the AIR issues are resolved. I have an old Arcam CD 92 player which i could also rope in as a transport in the short term - but it does defeat the purpose.

Otherwise i was thinking of running an ethernet network point to the listening room but how do i connect that to the Premier D (that would be an argument for the new 240 version but at the current pricing it is a no go).

Your thoughts would be appreciated

Cheers
colonel66

 

[Nightmare]

So in your opinion should i still go for (in my opinion) the deal of the century and then use the Squeezebox until the AIR issues are resolved.

The easiest way would be not to update until the problems are solved ;-) What about that

I am happy to have the older Premier D versus the new version (which is EUR2000 more) (...)

If you are sure that you will have no need for ethernet and USB the next time it sounds like a pretty good deal.
Otherwise you would have to upgrade the system later. Which will cost you some additional money.
And no one so far knows what the new Devialets will sound like. Maybe better. You don´t know yet.
So be sure you won´t get annoyed later, when you buy the older one now. Just to think about it.

(...) plus from what i have read two in mono block form is the way to go.

Is it? Who said that? In general? You believe it? I doubt it.
Are you sure your system will have benefit from it also?! Do you really nead two of them?! Did you try it?!
I would due to that amount of money to spend. Even if it seems to be a bargain.

 

[Togil]

I would wait till the problems are sorted out. Later you can consider upgrading the units, there will be a special price for those who have 2 units.

 

[colonel66]

The easiest way would be not to update until the problems are solved ;-) What about that

That makes sense -i will check what version they are running. So the prior version streams without problems? I have no high resolution downloads for now - the entire ripped library is from CD.

If you are sure that you will have no need for ethernet and USB the next time it sounds like a pretty good deal.
Otherwise you would have to upgrade the system later. Which will cost you some additional money.
And no one so far knows what the new Devialets will sound like. Maybe better. You don´t know yet.
So be sure you won´t get annoyed later, when you buy the older one now. Just to think about it.

As i understand it the only difference between new and old version is the loss of hdmi port in favour of ethernet and USB and a more powerful DSP chip to provide for future room correction upgrades. Other than that there are no changes (so i have been told). Provided streaming works then i cant see me requiring USB/Ethernet as i have committed to mac mini as media server, all backed up via time capsule. Also i have invested in room acoustic treatment as my experience (limited) with digital room correction has not been favourable.

Is it? Who said that? In general? You believe it? I doubt it.
Are you sure your system will have benefit from it also?! Do you really nead two of them?! Did you try it?!
I would due to that amount of money to spend. Even if it seems to be a bargain.

The deal i have is for one Premier D with the other on loan to check the benefits of mono block configuration. But the rub is that the extra cash for a second unit is so small that it becomes a no-brainer. The second unit is only an extra 20% of the total cost, if i take 2.

Thanks for the reply

 

[Nightmare]

As i understand it the only difference between new and old version is the loss of hdmi port in favour of ethernet and USB and a more powerful DSP chip to provide for future room correction upgrades. Other than that there are no changes (so i have been told).

Who will know. We have to wait and see.

But otherwise it really sounds like a good deal. And you always have the opportunity to upgrade later on. So go fot it.

OK - 20% for the second unit is not too much ;-) If you might hear no benefit of it later, you can sell it.
On the other hand I wonder, why the dealer makes such an offer. He could upgrade the D-Premiers and has no need to give them away.

But good for you

 

[colonel66]

Who will know. We have to wait and see.

But otherwise it really sounds like a good deal. And you always have the opportunity to upgrade later on. So go fot it.

OK - 20% for the second unit is not too much ;-) If you might hear no benefit of it later, you can sell it.
On the other hand I wonder, why the dealer makes such an offer. He could upgrade the D-Premiers and has no need to give them away.

But good for you

He has a large number of units in stock and the SA market is small and he needs to bring in the new units in the range in terms of his distribution agreement so i guess he is happy to move stock - plus i am a good customer

That is my thoughts exactly is that as a pair i should not lose much on any (non planned) future sale - plus i could upgrade later on

 

[Nightmare]

Lucky guy

Did you mention, what loudspeakers you listen to?!

 

[colonel66]

Giya G1 - see my profile for full details

 

[Nightmare]

Oh **** - what the hell is that



With a view on the data you might really be best advised with two monos ;-)

 

[Togil]

Who will know. We have to wait and see.

But otherwise it really sounds like a good deal. And you always have the opportunity to upgrade later on. So go fot it.

OK - 20% for the second unit is not too much ;-) If you might hear no benefit of it later, you can sell it.
On the other hand I wonder, why the dealer makes such an offer. He could upgrade the D-Premiers and has no need to give them away.

But good for you

Another difference is a new power supply.

 

[Nightmare]

Right. That´s confirmed also.

And there are rumours, that the wifi module might be an other one (2,4/5GHz).

We will see - or listen - in a couple of weeks, how all that changes influences the final sound.

 

[Bernie]

Hi colonel66,
interesting to find someone with nearly the same combo than me. I use the Devialet together with the Vivid K1 and I'm extremly happy with it.
The precision of the Vivid and the resolution of the Devialet are a perfect match.

@Nightmare,
nice to meet you here as well

btw, there seems to be a new page on the Devialet site under helpdesk: The new Devialet Air help
Not sure what that means, they still do not mention any problems with the driver. I have one of the not recommended configurations with a Wifi router only.
But from what I've read here a dedicated Airport does suffer from the same problems...

regards,
Bernie

 

[Nightmare]

Hey Bernie!

Well, a new site in the helpdesk (here). But no word about the problems on the main update site. No removal of the update so far. They let more and more users run into the problems by updating to 6.0.6. I don´t understand that. And no conclusion that they might have a problem with the software at all actually. All the users complaining these days had a fine working system so far I guess. With the update everything changed. Now - with AIR 2.0 - Devialet is coming with all that ´how to optimize your system´ stuff. Instead of that, they should confess a general software problem. They are talking about instability:

(...) some of you are experiencing issues with AIR’s stability on their Wi-Fi network

Sorry, but all these workarounds are and cannot NOT be the user´s homework.

Quick fixes in case of problems
- Restart your router
- Restart your D-Premier
- Change Wi-Fi channels
- Increase buffer size and recall delay

Restart. Restart. Restart. Is that meant in earnest? There was no restart necessary prior to the update and AIR 2.0. And as most of you mentioned, there is not really a problem with the Wifi stability at all. Nearly everything sounds like a software problem. All these workarounds may improve the situation a little bit, but they do not solve the problems. It is a ´solution´ between having drop outs more or less soon after starting AIR 2.0. But in the end they do appear.

Repeated restarting cannot be the answer to all that drop outs.

Oh, I am so happy to have no Devialet yet, waiting for the Devialet 240. My wife would kill me for such trouble. She - as I do - want´s to enjoy music and not to experience. Hopefully they are working on it.

 

[Bernie]

yes, wrong way to keep customers satisfied. They have promised to communicate any news over any media, mails, facebook, twitter, homepage. So far I have not seen any official comment that there is an issue. If we would treat the customers this way in my job we would run into serious trouble...
This new article on their helpdesk points in the direction that it is still the problem with the setup and therefore a customer problem...