Great turntables are a wasted resource without isolation.

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I have spent years on my diy isolation effort. Even though it remains a work in progress, the current results confirm to me that at least for suspension-less turntables, isolation must be in place or the turntable/arm/cartridge phono stage combination of choice will be utterly compromised. The upside is that if one already has a superlative combination of the above, the improvement wrought by the isolation will be cumulative. All the parts benefit from the better operating environment for the turntable. Below a relative level of performance it would be much better to upgrade a component part of the combination, but I feel that especially if the turntable itself is very,very good, and the rest of the combination is respectable, it will be worthwhile taking the plunge.

I don't want to suggest any particular approach. Nor will I even discuss my approach(only because I regard it as successful but too finicky to recommend). What's Best is one of the best sites anywhere on the internet for rational, non-argumentative discussion of this topic. If one wishes to dig further there are other sites where one can consider different approaches. I recommend investigation into the subject.

I am utterly, comprehensively convinced by turntable isolation and I feel that other components would similarly benefit. I regard the adoption of a proper isolation solution for a turntable as a noise reduction, resolution maximising strategy. Because the analogue front-end occupies the crucial Source position for those who utilise the same, the entire system takes a leap forward commensurate with the ultimate ability of the component parts of the turntable/arm/cartridge/phono stage
 
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even suspension TT's can benefit big time as long as the suspended design is sitting on a solid plate that then resides on an active or passive isolation platform device.
I have seen testimony to that effect concerning some high end suspended turntables, more than once.
 

spiritofmusic

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No argument from me.
When I get my cart optimised and new phono psu, tt and phono going on Stacore Adv pneumatic/CLD passive isoln platform.
18 months w'out vinyl, I just can't wait!
 

tima

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I have spent years on my diy isolation effort. Even though it remains a work in progress, the current results confirm to me that at least for suspension-less turntables, isolation must be in place or the turntable/arm/cartridge phono stage combination of choice will be utterly compromised. The upside is that if one already has a superlative combination of the above, the improvement wrought by the isolation will be cumulative. All the parts benefit from the better operating environment for the turntable. Below a relative level of performance it would be much better to upgrade a component part of the combination, but I feel that especially if the turntable itself is very,very good, and the rest of the combination is respectable, it will be worthwhile taking the plunge.

I don't want to suggest any particular approach. Nor will I even discuss my approach(only because I regard it as successful but too finicky to recommend). What's Best is one of the best sites anywhere on the internet for rational, non-argumentative discussion of this topic. If one wishes to dig further there are other sites where one can consider different approaches. I recommend investigation into the subject.

I am utterly, comprehensively convinced by turntable isolation and I feel that other components would similarly benefit. I regard the adoption of a proper isolation solution for a turntable as a noise reduction, resolution maximising strategy. Because the analogue front-end occupies the crucial Source position for those who utilise the same, the entire system takes a leap forward commensurate with the ultimate ability of the component parts of the turntable/arm/cartridge/phono stage
Of course. You are exactly correct. And there's no real debate or reason for discussion about the truth value of the points you make.

I'm looking to improve isolation/vibration control for my turntable.

So let's move the ball forward...

What are the top three turntable isolation devices, systems, methods, etc that you recommend, that you would buy or own? Anybody ... and thanks for starting this topic, Theo.
 

JackD201

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#7
I have seen testimony to that effect concerning some high end suspended turntables, more than once.
It can be a double edged sword. Whether you do the cutting or it's you being cut just depends on the level of adjustability of the table itself and your own effort to match the suspension with the vibration mitigation device. That's my experience with the AF1 on CMS filters at least. It's not plop and play as it would be on a non suspenpended table. It's just one more variable.
 

ddk

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#8
It can be a double edged sword. Whether you do the cutting or it's you being cut just depends on the level of adjustability of the table itself and your own effort to match the suspension with the vibration mitigation device. That's my experience with the AF1 on CMS filters at least. It's not plop and play as it would be on a non suspenpended table. It's just one more variable.
Maybe the ELP Jack otherwise plop & play doesn't exit with high end players :)!

david
 

Stacore

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I am utterly, comprehensively convinced by turntable isolation and I feel that other components would similarly benefit. I regard the adoption of a proper isolation solution for a turntable as a noise reduction, resolution maximising strategy. Because the analogue front-end occupies the crucial Source position for those who utilise the same, the entire system takes a leap forward commensurate with the ultimate ability of the component parts of the turntable/arm/cartridge/phono stage
It is indeed so from our experience. The most mysterious is a positive response of SS gear to a proper vibration control.
From the source part, CD transports turn out to be at least as beneficial as TT's and this is also quite surprising
given the advanced hard- and software error correction mechanisms employed. In all the cases it is like you describe:
lower noise, higher resolution at the bottom with a whole bouquet of implications.


Cheers,
 

JackD201

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Maybe the ELP Jack otherwise plop & play doesn't exit with high end players :)!

david
's a figure of speech ;)
 

JackD201

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#12
forget about a passive/active suspension. Put the damn thing in another (preferably decoupled) room!! :cool:
Excellent solution except for the first few seconds of the first track LOL
 

spiritofmusic

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#13
I have a better solution
Remove the listener from the listening room
 

jperry

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Of course. You are exactly correct. And there's no real debate or reason for discussion about the truth value of the points you make.

I'm looking to improve isolation/vibration control for my turntable.

So let's move the ball forward...

What are the top three turntable isolation devices, systems, methods, etc that you recommend, that you would buy or own? Anybody ... and thanks for starting this topic, Theo.
I use a Vibraplane, and if it worked in my budget I would have a Herzan or other active isolation platform.
 

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